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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #315 on: January 13, 2018, 03:43:20 PM »
That's usually a key indicator of those who are not intellectually honest but just have an agenda to promote.  They puff up the authority of the sources that happen to agree with them and dismiss the ones that don't ... even if they are inherently of equal weight.

Offline Meg

Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #316 on: January 13, 2018, 03:58:56 PM »
Hah, you'll take any view that agrees with your own.  You've already demonstrated that time and again.  You admit having watched only a few minutes of the video but already "take" his view.  Would be funny if about 30 minutes in he denounces flat earthers.  Since you take his view over that of a layman, why don't you ask him what he believes about the flat earth, and if he rejects it, you need to follow his lead ... since you should take his view over yours.  Hypocrite.

Cantarella is absolutely correct the papal ratification is what defines an Ecuмenical Council.
  

You love to call people names, when you don't really have an argument. Oh well. You call me a hypocrite, but actually, I've just finished watching half the video. It's an hour long. Would you like to know what the rest of the first half of the video entails? Somehow I think not, but I'm going to highlight the main details. 

Fr. Hesse describes and explains that a Council must have the proper matter, form, and intention, and that it must intend to do what the Church does. Are you with me so far? Do you understand this?

Bear with me now, as I know this will be difficult for a sedewhatever to understand, but Fr. Hesse then goes on to explain that a purpose of a Council is to condemn error, and to clarify doctrine. Pope John XXlll specifically announced that the Council would not condemn anything, and that it would be a pastoral council. Fr. Hesse says that the other councils were all called to clear up doctrine and to destroy error. 

Fr. Hesse then goes on to explain a little known encyclical by Pope Pius Vl called, Auctorum Fidei, and that the docuмent addressed the issue of what a synod (council) does exactly. Pope Pius Vl said that..."The purpose of a synod is to clarify terms, not to complicate them." 
Fr. Hesse then goes on to explain that the higher a truth is, the simpler it becomes, because God is infinitely simple. A sedewhatever will not be able to relate to this, due to their (your) predilection toward everything being excessively wordy and complicated.

I'll watch the rest tomorrow and give an update. Not that you'll be interested, of course. 


Offline Meg

Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #317 on: January 13, 2018, 04:33:33 PM »
That's usually a key indicator of those who are not intellectually honest but just have an agenda to promote.  They puff up the authority of the sources that happen to agree with them and dismiss the ones that don't ... even if they are inherently of equal weight.

So the authority of Fr. Hesse is equal to that of yourself, a mere layman? You remind me of the laypreachers on EWTN, who spout off their modern theology as if they are an authority with whom we must all agree.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #318 on: January 13, 2018, 05:45:04 PM »
So the authority of Fr. Hesse is equal to that of yourself, a mere layman?

:laugh1:

And the "authority" of Fr. Hesse is greater than that of the men you claim to be POPES of the Roman Catholic Church?

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #319 on: January 13, 2018, 05:47:34 PM »
So the authority of Fr. Hesse is equal to that of yourself, a mere layman? You remind me of the laypreachers on EWTN, who spout off their modern theology as if they are an authority with whom we must all agree.

Again, please inquire about what Father Hesse thinks of the Flat Earth position and adjust your opinion accordingly.

But I know you won't.  If he were to reject Flat Earth as stupid, you would denounce him immediately as an idiot ... except for that other thing where he agrees with you, then suddenly he's a great "authority", you see.

In fact, are you saying that YOU, Meg, have greater "authority" than these men you claim are POPES.  You know better about Religious Liberty and all the other theological matters in Vatican II than the Pope and bishops of the world teaching in an Ecuмenical Council.