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Offline Godefroy

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Re: Summorum Pontificuм 17 years on: Bane/Boon for the Roman Catholic Church.
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2024, 07:11:43 AM »
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    • Posters like MarkM "are bandits, revolutionaries under sheep skins".

    At the bottom of the page of this forum is written 

    "CathInfo is the de-facto discussion headquarters for the SSPX Resistance, which it officially supports.
    Traditional Catholics worldwide have made us the #1 forum for SSPX Resistance news and discussion in the English-speaking world.

    Please pray for Bishop Richard Williamson, the hand-picked successor of Archbishop Lefebvre whose Catholic wisdom and zeal for the truth have inspired many Traditional Catholics.
    He continues to defend Catholic Tradition in the SSPX Resistance, as the true successor of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, continuing the fιght the SSPX once fσught"


    So this poster, and the others of the same ilk, who have appeared in the last few weeks to push Trump, know exactly where they find themselves. 

    However we recognise your modernist language, wordy sophism and lengthy soporiphic posting style, because it has been inflicted on us for years. Ask Bishop Fellay a question and the response lasts so long you will have forgotten the question.

    Papal Tiara has uterlly destroyed all your liberal verbiage and reminded many of us of the things we had forgotten, like the letter of the three bishops and the patronising, MarkM like response that Bishop Fellay made.

    What are you doing on this forum? 


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    Offline rosarytrad

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    Re: Summorum Pontificuм 17 years on: Bane/Boon for the Roman Catholic Church.
    « Reply #31 on: November 08, 2024, 01:53:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Godefroy on November 08, 2024, 07:11:43 AM
    Posters like MarkM "are bandits, revolutionaries under sheep skins".

    At the bottom of the page of this forum is written

    "CathInfo is the de-facto discussion headquarters for the SSPX Resistance, which it officially supports.
    Traditional Catholics worldwide have made us the #1 forum for SSPX Resistance news and discussion in the English-speaking world.

    Please pray for Bishop Richard Williamson, the hand-picked successor of Archbishop Lefebvre whose Catholic wisdom and zeal for the truth have inspired many Traditional Catholics.
    He continues to defend Catholic Tradition in the SSPX Resistance, as the true successor of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, continuing the fιght the SSPX once fσught"


    So this poster, and the others of the same ilk, who have appeared in the last few weeks to push Trump, know exactly where they find themselves.

    However we recognise your modernist language, wordy sophism and lengthy soporiphic posting style, because it has been inflicted on us for years. Ask Bishop Fellay a question and the response lasts so long you will have forgotten the question.

    Papal Tiara has uterlly destroyed all your liberal verbiage and reminded many of us of the things we had forgotten, like the letter of the three bishops and the patronising, MarkM like response that Bishop Fellay made.

    What are you doing on this forum?
    Godefroy, I couldn't have said it better. I can't wait to see the responses to your question 😉👍
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Summorum Pontificuм 17 years on: Bane/Boon for the Roman Catholic Church.
    « Reply #32 on: November 08, 2024, 02:08:36 PM »
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    • Anyone who champions SP and the motu is, by definition, not a Trad.  This markm guy is an indult idiot. 

    Trads are Trads because of Quo Primum, which even Benedict’s motu admitted was still law.  Benedict’s motu was unnecessary and unTraditional. 
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    Offline Stubborn

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    Re: Summorum Pontificuм 17 years on: Bane/Boon for the Roman Catholic Church.
    « Reply #33 on: November 08, 2024, 02:26:45 PM »
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    • A somewhat prophetic sermon from Fr. Wathen on the good Archbishop Lefebvre given two days after +ABL consecrated the four bishops.

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    Offline Jaynek

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    Re: Summorum Pontificuм 17 years on: Bane/Boon for the Roman Catholic Church.
    « Reply #34 on: November 08, 2024, 02:50:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 08, 2024, 02:08:36 PM
    Trads are Trads because of Quo Primum, which even Benedict’s motu admitted was still law.  Benedict’s motu was unnecessary and unTraditional.

    The motu acknowledged that the TLM was still a valid Catholic Mass, but did not base this position on Quo Primum.  Here is a good article by Fr. Cekeda on why that is a bad argument: https://www.fathercekada.com/2007/05/17/quo-primum/

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    The language was simply a standard formula in church legislation that referred to one of the qualities a law is supposed to have: stability.

    Frequent changes in laws harm the common good because people do not know how to act — hence, laws are supposed to be relatively stable. But a human legislator (unlike God) cannot foresee all future circuмstances, so his successor has the power to change existing laws if he decides the circuмstances warrant it.
    This reflects a general principle in law: An equal does not have power over another equal. No pope who used perpetuity in his disciplinary decrees understood the term to mean that no future pope could ever amend or replace his legislation.
    And popes did in fact change some of the provisions of Quo Primum, even before Vatican II. In 1604, for instance, Pope Clement VIII issued new regulations for the Blessing at Mass, and in 1634 Pope Urban VIII changed the wording of the Missals rubrics and hymn texts.
    Traditionalists should stop using the Quo Primum argument. It’s a canon law urban legend — as in “alligators in the sewers,” rather than Urban VIII!

    (    There are many issues on which I disagreed with Fr. Cekada, but I have fond memories of him  I quote his article because he was famous for his scholarship and because I find it clear and witty.  It should not be taken as agreement with him about anything else.)
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