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SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« on: March 20, 2022, 06:01:11 PM »
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #1 on: March 20, 2022, 06:11:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: frankielogue on March 20, 2022, 06:01:11 PM
    https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/communiqu%C3%A9-general-house-72472?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweepsmap-FSSPX.News
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    The Priestly Society of Saint Pius X has learned with joy of the announcement of the consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, scheduled for March 25th.

    After a long wait, punctuated by fervent crusades and assiduous recitation of rosaries, the Society of Saint Pius X is happy to see the request of Our Lady of Fatima taken into account, which called for a solemn act by the Pope in union with all the bishops.
    The Society of Saint Pius X places its trust more than ever in the recitation of the rosary and in the practice of penance. It prays in a special way for peace in the world, ever more convinced that nations will only find concord by a true conversion to Christ the King, through the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    On the feast of Saint Joseph
    Patron of the Universal Church
    They do not post any links to where they got this information that it is " in union with all the bishops".

    Where does that come from?


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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #2 on: March 20, 2022, 06:26:31 PM »
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    • It says that the request of Our Lady was for "in union with all the bishops".  Antecedent of "which called for" is "the request of Our Lady".  And the SSPX say that the message is being "taken into account".  So it does seem to imply by "taken into account" that it's not entirely being conformed to.

    Nevertheless, they (believing Bergoglio to be the pope) should have called this out and insisted that "Pope" Francis make sure that it does comply with Our Lady's requests.

    This sounds like they're kissing up to Bergoglio and fawning all over him.
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #3 on: March 20, 2022, 06:44:34 PM »
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    • Our Lady did not request the consecration of Ukraine at Fatima, and therefore, Francis is not complying with her request.

    Why is the SSPX pretending he is?

    Some people at my SSPX chapel are arguing that because Ukraine was part of the USSR when Our Lady made the request, therefore Ukraine does not constitute an additional country.  But if not, should not Francis need to add the other 14 countries that were part of the USSR in 1929 (lest the same logic conclude Francis is not consecrating the whole Russia/USSR?

    But this is neither here nor there: Today -at the time of the consecration- Ukraine is not Russia, nor does it subsist within Russia.  It is it’s own country, and Our Lady didn’t ask for it to be consecrated.  

    Given that fact, I just can’t understand the pretended enthusiasm that “the consecration is finally happening.”

    What is motivating the SSPX to go along with this?

    Some people are even worried that, because of this imposture, an intensified chastisement will be the result, rather than a time of peace and the conversion of Russia.

    I do not understand why it’s so hard for Rome simply to do exactly what Our Lady asked.  Are they afraid that doing so would wash away their modernism and restore tradition?

    Others are saying this deliberate contortion of Our Lady’s request is an insult, and that if it is generally true that any consecration to Our Lady is good, this 3rd refusal to comply with her request does not merit her favor.

    If I tell my child to make his bed before he can go outside, and rather than do what I told him, instead she does something else, the condition is not met.  If a second time, she does something else, and asks me to go outside, I’m getting irritated, and tell her she still hasn’t complied.  If a 3rd time she does something else, I either punish her, or quit paying attention.

    I wonder if Heaven will have the same reaction?
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #4 on: March 20, 2022, 06:50:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: The Mrs on March 20, 2022, 06:44:34 PM
    Some people are even worried that, because of this imposture, an intensified chastisement will be the result, rather than a time of peace and the conversion of Russia.

    THIS ^^^

    I believe that it's very possible that all hell will break loose (literally) when Bergoglio simulates the consecration.
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #5 on: March 20, 2022, 06:54:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: The Mrs on March 20, 2022, 06:44:34 PM
    Others are saying this deliberate contortion of Our Lady’s request is an insult, ...

    Those are the very sentiments I posted a few days ago.

    Also, the intention of the consecration was to make repration for blasphemies against Our Blessed Mother, not to "stop Russia's invasion of Ukraine".  Russia was merely the instrument of God's chastisment of the world.  So given that Bergoglio is one of the blasphemers in chief (of Our Blessed Mother), I expect some very dire things to take place on Friday.

    https://novusordowatch.org/2019/12/bergoglio-blasphemes-the-immaculate/

    That one blasphemy in particular is hard for me to read without getting sick to my stomach, where he basically characterizes Our Lady as shaking her fist at God and calling Him a liar.  He claims that she too expected a temporal Messiah (like the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan) who would sit on the throne of David and rule, and called God a liar when she saw Him crucified.  As if Our Blessed Mother didn't understand perfectly His mission.  What a faithless apostate scuм this man is.  I have no words for how disgusting his blasphemy is.  THIS MAN will make reparation for blasphemies against Our Blessed Mother?


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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #6 on: March 20, 2022, 07:26:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 06:50:15 PM
    THIS ^^^

    I believe that it's very possible that all hell will break loose (literally) when Bergoglio simulates the consecration.
    Indeed. God is not mocked. Jesus Christ the Second Person the Trinity will not let His Blessed Mother be mocked.
    My question is .....what good will come from the evil of what is looking to be a simulated consecration?

    This March 25th will be an immense day for us in the ongoing spiritual warfare.
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #7 on: March 20, 2022, 07:32:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 06:26:31 PM
    It says that the request of Our Lady was for "in union with all the bishops".  Antecedent of "which called for" is "the request of Our Lady".  And the SSPX say that the message is being "taken into account".  So it does seem to imply by "taken into account" that it's not entirely being conformed to.

    Nevertheless, they (believing Bergoglio to be the pope) should have called this out and insisted that "Pope" Francis make sure that it does comply with Our Lady's requests.

    This sounds like they're kissing up to Bergoglio and fawning all over him.

    Bergolio is the best thing to happen to the neo-SSPX ever.

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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #8 on: March 20, 2022, 07:33:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Kazimierz on March 20, 2022, 07:26:56 PM
    Indeed. God is not mocked. Jesus Christ the Second Person the Trinity will not let His Blessed Mother be mocked.
    My question is .....what good will come from the evil of what is looking to be a simulated consecration?

    This March 25th will be an immense day for us in the ongoing spiritual warfare.
     It's all about the money for the Neo-$$PX. 
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #9 on: March 20, 2022, 07:50:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: The Mrs on March 20, 2022, 06:44:34 PM
    Our Lady did not request the consecration of Ukraine at Fatima, and therefore, Francis is not complying with her request.

    Why is the SSPX pretending he is?
    Father's opinion today was that because he is specifically stating the intent to consecrate Russia, that the addition of Ukraine is irrelevant to the validity of the consecration.

    I don't necessarily agree, but, this appears to be the mindset of the SSPX.
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #10 on: March 20, 2022, 08:18:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: The Mrs on March 20, 2022, 06:44:34 PM
    Our Lady did not request the consecration of Ukraine at Fatima, and therefore, Francis is not complying with her request.

    Why is the SSPX pretending he is?

    Some people at my SSPX chapel are arguing that because Ukraine was part of the USSR when Our Lady made the request, therefore Ukraine does not constitute an additional country.  But if not, should not Francis need to add the other 14 countries that were part of the USSR in 1929 (lest the same logic conclude Francis is not consecrating the whole Russia/USSR?

    But this is neither here nor there: Today -at the time of the consecration- Ukraine is not Russia, nor does it subsist within Russia.  It is it’s own country, and Our Lady didn’t ask for it to be consecrated. 

    Given that fact, I just can’t understand the pretended enthusiasm that “the consecration is finally happening.”

    What is motivating the SSPX to go along with this?

    Some people are even worried that, because of this imposture, an intensified chastisement will be the result, rather than a time of peace and the conversion of Russia.

    I do not understand why it’s so hard for Rome simply to do exactly what Our Lady asked.  Are they afraid that doing so would wash away their modernism and restore tradition?

    Others are saying this deliberate contortion of Our Lady’s request is an insult, and that if it is generally true that any consecration to Our Lady is good, this 3rd refusal to comply with her request does not merit her favor.

    If I tell my child to make his bed before he can go outside, and rather than do what I told him, instead she does something else, the condition is not met.  If a second time, she does something else, and asks me to go outside, I’m getting irritated, and tell her she still hasn’t complied.  If a 3rd time she does something else, I either punish her, or quit paying attention.

    I wonder if Heaven will have the same reaction?
    When it comes to anything related to Fatima, I have found many people just don't think. The pro Bergoglio reaction is pure emotion.
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #11 on: March 20, 2022, 09:31:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 20, 2022, 06:11:15 PM
    The message reads:

    They do not post any links to where they got this information that it is " in union with all the bishops".

    Where does that come from?



    "Hey wise guy...
    We're running a business here...
    And its my "state of grace", that allows me to make up details to keep the faithful pacified".
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #12 on: March 21, 2022, 07:40:45 AM »
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    • On the @Franciscus Instagram page, the "consecration" is stated as a "Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine". :sleep:
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #13 on: March 21, 2022, 07:46:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cornelius935 on March 21, 2022, 07:40:45 AM
    On the @Franciscus Instagram page, the "consecration" is stated as a "Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine". :sleep:

    So ... watering it down even more.  And ... no mention whatsoever of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  One would think that should make the summary title.  I will be surprised if the phrase "Immaculate Heart of Mary" appears as such anywhere in the formula.  At best you'll get some kind of circuмlocution.  RomanTheo claims to have inside info that the formula under considerations meets all the requirements, but this here increases my skepticism.
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    Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
    « Reply #14 on: March 21, 2022, 08:09:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 07:46:15 AM
    So ... watering it down even more.  And ... no mention whatsoever of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  One would think that should make the summary title.  I will be surprised if the phrase "Immaculate Heart of Mary" appears as such anywhere in the formula.  At best you'll get some kind of circuмlocution.  RomanTheo claims to have inside info that the formula under considerations meets all the requirements, but this here increases my skepticism.
    Addendum: I just learned that the Instagram post is directly copied from his Sunday Angelus. Not trying to give credit to the "consecration", but it did mention the Immaculate Heart.

    Here's the full quote:
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    I invite every community and all the faithful to unite with me on Friday 25 March, the Solemnity of the Annunciation, for the Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that she, the Queen of Peace, may help us obtain peace.



    "Consecrations of humanity" (or something like that) to the Immaculate Heart were already performed by Popes before Vatican II.

    I think this "consecration of humanity" on Friday will only serve as Rome's excuse to reject future requests of the true consecration of Russia. In a few years, or maybe even next year, when some bishops request it again, they'll just say "it has already been done in 2022".
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