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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: frankielogue on March 20, 2022, 06:01:11 PM
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The message reads:
The Priestly Society of Saint Pius X has learned with joy of the announcement of the consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, scheduled for March 25th.
After a long wait, punctuated by fervent crusades and assiduous recitation of rosaries, the Society of Saint Pius X is happy to see the request of Our Lady of Fatima taken into account, which called for a solemn act by the Pope in union with all the bishops.
The Society of Saint Pius X places its trust more than ever in the recitation of the rosary and in the practice of penance. It prays in a special way for peace in the world, ever more convinced that nations will only find concord by a true conversion to Christ the King, through the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
On the feast of Saint Joseph
Patron of the Universal Church
They do not post any links to where they got this information that it is " in union with all the bishops".
Where does that come from?
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It says that the request of Our Lady was for "in union with all the bishops". Antecedent of "which called for" is "the request of Our Lady". And the SSPX say that the message is being "taken into account". So it does seem to imply by "taken into account" that it's not entirely being conformed to.
Nevertheless, they (believing Bergoglio to be the pope) should have called this out and insisted that "Pope" Francis make sure that it does comply with Our Lady's requests.
This sounds like they're kissing up to Bergoglio and fawning all over him.
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Our Lady did not request the consecration of Ukraine at Fatima, and therefore, Francis is not complying with her request.
Why is the SSPX pretending he is?
Some people at my SSPX chapel are arguing that because Ukraine was part of the USSR when Our Lady made the request, therefore Ukraine does not constitute an additional country. But if not, should not Francis need to add the other 14 countries that were part of the USSR in 1929 (lest the same logic conclude Francis is not consecrating the whole Russia/USSR?
But this is neither here nor there: Today -at the time of the consecration- Ukraine is not Russia, nor does it subsist within Russia. It is it’s own country, and Our Lady didn’t ask for it to be consecrated.
Given that fact, I just can’t understand the pretended enthusiasm that “the consecration is finally happening.”
What is motivating the SSPX to go along with this?
Some people are even worried that, because of this imposture, an intensified chastisement will be the result, rather than a time of peace and the conversion of Russia.
I do not understand why it’s so hard for Rome simply to do exactly what Our Lady asked. Are they afraid that doing so would wash away their modernism and restore tradition?
Others are saying this deliberate contortion of Our Lady’s request is an insult, and that if it is generally true that any consecration to Our Lady is good, this 3rd refusal to comply with her request does not merit her favor.
If I tell my child to make his bed before he can go outside, and rather than do what I told him, instead she does something else, the condition is not met. If a second time, she does something else, and asks me to go outside, I’m getting irritated, and tell her she still hasn’t complied. If a 3rd time she does something else, I either punish her, or quit paying attention.
I wonder if Heaven will have the same reaction?
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Some people are even worried that, because of this imposture, an intensified chastisement will be the result, rather than a time of peace and the conversion of Russia.
THIS ^^^
I believe that it's very possible that all hell will break loose (literally) when Bergoglio simulates the consecration.
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Others are saying this deliberate contortion of Our Lady’s request is an insult, ...
Those are the very sentiments I posted a few days ago.
Also, the intention of the consecration was to make repration for blasphemies against Our Blessed Mother, not to "stop Russia's invasion of Ukraine". Russia was merely the instrument of God's chastisment of the world. So given that Bergoglio is one of the blasphemers in chief (of Our Blessed Mother), I expect some very dire things to take place on Friday.
https://novusordowatch.org/2019/12/bergoglio-blasphemes-the-immaculate/
That one blasphemy in particular is hard for me to read without getting sick to my stomach, where he basically characterizes Our Lady as shaking her fist at God and calling Him a liar. He claims that she too expected a temporal Messiah (like the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan) who would sit on the throne of David and rule, and called God a liar when she saw Him crucified. As if Our Blessed Mother didn't understand perfectly His mission. What a faithless apostate scuм this man is. I have no words for how disgusting his blasphemy is. THIS MAN will make reparation for blasphemies against Our Blessed Mother?
(http://www.scarrablog.com.au/resources/uploads/2018/06/Francis-1-The-Angry.jpg)
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THIS ^^^
I believe that it's very possible that all hell will break loose (literally) when Bergoglio simulates the consecration.
Indeed. God is not mocked. Jesus Christ the Second Person the Trinity will not let His Blessed Mother be mocked.
My question is .....what good will come from the evil of what is looking to be a simulated consecration?
This March 25th will be an immense day for us in the ongoing spiritual warfare.
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It says that the request of Our Lady was for "in union with all the bishops". Antecedent of "which called for" is "the request of Our Lady". And the SSPX say that the message is being "taken into account". So it does seem to imply by "taken into account" that it's not entirely being conformed to.
Nevertheless, they (believing Bergoglio to be the pope) should have called this out and insisted that "Pope" Francis make sure that it does comply with Our Lady's requests.
This sounds like they're kissing up to Bergoglio and fawning all over him.
Bergolio is the best thing to happen to the neo-SSPX ever.
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Indeed. God is not mocked. Jesus Christ the Second Person the Trinity will not let His Blessed Mother be mocked.
My question is .....what good will come from the evil of what is looking to be a simulated consecration?
This March 25th will be an immense day for us in the ongoing spiritual warfare.
It's all about the money for the Neo-$$PX.
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Our Lady did not request the consecration of Ukraine at Fatima, and therefore, Francis is not complying with her request.
Why is the SSPX pretending he is?
Father's opinion today was that because he is specifically stating the intent to consecrate Russia, that the addition of Ukraine is irrelevant to the validity of the consecration.
I don't necessarily agree, but, this appears to be the mindset of the SSPX.
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Our Lady did not request the consecration of Ukraine at Fatima, and therefore, Francis is not complying with her request.
Why is the SSPX pretending he is?
Some people at my SSPX chapel are arguing that because Ukraine was part of the USSR when Our Lady made the request, therefore Ukraine does not constitute an additional country. But if not, should not Francis need to add the other 14 countries that were part of the USSR in 1929 (lest the same logic conclude Francis is not consecrating the whole Russia/USSR?
But this is neither here nor there: Today -at the time of the consecration- Ukraine is not Russia, nor does it subsist within Russia. It is it’s own country, and Our Lady didn’t ask for it to be consecrated.
Given that fact, I just can’t understand the pretended enthusiasm that “the consecration is finally happening.”
What is motivating the SSPX to go along with this?
Some people are even worried that, because of this imposture, an intensified chastisement will be the result, rather than a time of peace and the conversion of Russia.
I do not understand why it’s so hard for Rome simply to do exactly what Our Lady asked. Are they afraid that doing so would wash away their modernism and restore tradition?
Others are saying this deliberate contortion of Our Lady’s request is an insult, and that if it is generally true that any consecration to Our Lady is good, this 3rd refusal to comply with her request does not merit her favor.
If I tell my child to make his bed before he can go outside, and rather than do what I told him, instead she does something else, the condition is not met. If a second time, she does something else, and asks me to go outside, I’m getting irritated, and tell her she still hasn’t complied. If a 3rd time she does something else, I either punish her, or quit paying attention.
I wonder if Heaven will have the same reaction?
When it comes to anything related to Fatima, I have found many people just don't think. The pro Bergoglio reaction is pure emotion.
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The message reads:
They do not post any links to where they got this information that it is " in union with all the bishops".
Where does that come from?
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffsspx.news%2Fsites%2Fsspx%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fdici_image_full_width%2Fpublic%2Fslideshow%2Fpagliarani.jpg%3Fitok%3DlyLFVqVM&f=1&nofb=1)
"Hey wise guy...
We're running a business here...
And its my "state of grace", that allows me to make up details to keep the faithful pacified".
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On the @Franciscus Instagram page, the "consecration" is stated as a "Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine". :sleep:
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On the @Franciscus Instagram page, the "consecration" is stated as a "Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine". :sleep:
So ... watering it down even more. And ... no mention whatsoever of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. One would think that should make the summary title. I will be surprised if the phrase "Immaculate Heart of Mary" appears as such anywhere in the formula. At best you'll get some kind of circuмlocution. RomanTheo claims to have inside info that the formula under considerations meets all the requirements, but this here increases my skepticism.
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So ... watering it down even more. And ... no mention whatsoever of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. One would think that should make the summary title. I will be surprised if the phrase "Immaculate Heart of Mary" appears as such anywhere in the formula. At best you'll get some kind of circuмlocution. RomanTheo claims to have inside info that the formula under considerations meets all the requirements, but this here increases my skepticism.
Addendum: I just learned that the Instagram post is directly copied from his Sunday Angelus. Not trying to give credit to the "consecration", but it did mention the Immaculate Heart.
Here's the full quote:
I invite every community and all the faithful to unite with me on Friday 25 March, the Solemnity of the Annunciation, for the Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that she, the Queen of Peace, may help us obtain peace.
"Consecrations of humanity" (or something like that) to the Immaculate Heart were already performed by Popes before Vatican II.
I think this "consecration of humanity" on Friday will only serve as Rome's excuse to reject future requests of the true consecration of Russia. In a few years, or maybe even next year, when some bishops request it again, they'll just say "it has already been done in 2022".
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This is only a few hours old (https://www.ncregister.com/cna/pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-will-join-in-the-consecration-of-russia-and-ukraine)
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI Will Join in the Consecration of Russia and Ukraine
CNA Staff
Vatican
March 21, 2022
VATICAN CITY — Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI will join with Pope Francis and the bishops of the world in praying for the consecration of Russia and Ukraine on March 25.
He will do so privately, however, and will not be present at the consecration ceremony at St. Peter’s Basilica.....
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This is only a few hours old (https://www.ncregister.com/cna/pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-will-join-in-the-consecration-of-russia-and-ukraine)
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI Will Join in the Consecration of Russia and Ukraine
CNA Staff
Vatican
March 21, 2022
VATICAN CITY — Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI will join with Pope Francis and the bishops of the world in praying for the consecration of Russia and Ukraine on March 25.
He will do so privately, however, and will not be present at the consecration ceremony at St. Peter’s Basilica.....
Good enough. If, by some chance, the "Benevacantists" are right, and he is indeed still the Pope, then you have a Pope, you have the bishops (though not consciously in union with Benedict, except for possibly Archbishop Lenga in Poland), then, very possibly, you have the consecration.
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Good enough. If, by some chance, the "Benevacantists" are right, and he is indeed still the Pope, then you have a Pope, you have the bishops (though not consciously in union with Benedict, except for possibly Archbishop Lenga in Poland), then, very possibly, you have the consecration.
Barnhardt's argument (she's Bennyvacantist) is that Ratzinger would have to be visibly present. Not sure if she'll amend that to (he could be morally present).
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Barnhardt's argument (she's Bennyvacantist) is that Ratzinger would have to be visibly present.
I don't get why people insert these extra requirements? Our Lady never said where anyone had to be, or not be, whether sitting or standing, whether at a certain time, on a certain day, neither raining or sunshine. She simply asked for the consecration, in union with the bishops. She never said everyone had to be in the same room, or city, or even country (which, is obviously not feasible, because even an ecuмenical council never has 100% attendance due to old age, sickness, etc).
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I don't get why people insert these extra requirements? Our Lady never said where anyone had to be, or not be, whether sitting or standing, whether at a certain time, on a certain day, neither raining or sunshine. She simply asked for the consecration, in union with the bishops. She never said everyone had to be in the same room, or city, or even country (which, is obviously not feasible, because even an ecuмenical council never has 100% attendance due to old age, sickness, etc).
Well, she did say that the POPE had to PERFORM the consecration. So given her belief that Ratzinger is the pope, she holds that he would have to DO the consecration. Currently she's saying it would suffice for him to be visibly present (if they [her phrase] rolled him out in a wheelchair while Bergoglio did it).
She also said in union with ALL the bishops (not just in union with the bishops, as you put it).
So you missed two aspect of what Our Lady said, that the Pope had to do it (you just said it had to be done) and that ALL the bishops had to do it (you just had "the bishops").
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Well, she did say that the POPE had to PERFORM the consecration. So given her belief that Ratzinger is the pope, she holds that he would have to DO the consecration. Currently she's saying it would suffice for him to be visibly present (if they [her phrase] rolled him out in a wheelchair while Bergoglio did it).
She also said in union with ALL the bishops (not just in union with the bishops, as you put it).
So you missed two aspect of what Our Lady said, that the Pope had to do it (you just said it had to be done) and that ALL the bishops had to do it (you just had "the bishops").
Technically speaking, the term anti-pope applies when two or more men vie for the Seat.
With Benedict’s participation, with whatever papal powers he claims to have, we officially have:
“An Anti-Pope’s Consecration”
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Well, she did say that the POPE had to PERFORM the consecration. So given her belief that Ratzinger is the pope, she holds that he would have to DO the consecration. Currently she's saying it would suffice for him to be visibly present (if they [her phrase] rolled him out in a wheelchair while Bergoglio did it).
She also said in union with ALL the bishops (not just in union with the bishops, as you put it).
So you missed two aspect of what Our Lady said, that the Pope had to do it (you just said it had to be done) and that ALL the bishops had to do it (you just had "the bishops").
I was not intending to minimize these requirements.
But, back to the "being present" phrase...everyone (Francis, Benedict, whatever bishops take part in this) is reading the same consecration formula, including Benedict, so how does Benedict's location matter? He'll be reading the same prayer/consecration as Francis.
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Technically speaking, the term anti-pope applies when two or more men vie for the Seat.
With Benedict’s participation, with whatever papal powers he claims to have, we officially have:
“An Anti-Pope’s Consecration”
Right, I was just speaking from her perspective ... where she considers Benedict to be the true/legitimate Pope.
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I was not intending to minimize these requirements.
But, back to the "being present" phrase...everyone (Francis, Benedict, whatever bishops take part in this) is reading the same consecration formula, including Benedict, so how does Benedict's location matter? He'll be reading the same prayer/consecration as Francis.
I don't think his location should matter. That's why I speculated about whether she might revise her criterion that he had to be visibly present.
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Technically speaking, the term anti-pope applies when two or more men vie for the Seat.
With Benedict’s participation, with whatever papal powers he claims to have, we officially have:
“An Anti-Pope’s Consecration”
Correction:
According to Our Lady of LaSalette, it would a Consecration by “two worm ridden Popes”. 🤦🏻♂️
”deux papes cribles de vers”, per Father Hesse.
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I don't get why people insert these extra requirements? Our Lady never said where anyone had to be, or not be, whether sitting or standing, whether at a certain time, on a certain day, neither raining or sunshine. She simply asked for the consecration, in union with the bishops. She never said everyone had to be in the same room, or city, or even country (which, is obviously not feasible, because even an ecuмenical council never has 100% attendance due to old age, sickness, etc).
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the word "assembled" was part of it...which, if correct, clearly means present.
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Assembled would imply formality, ie a Bishop should pray this in his diocesan chapel and not sitting at home on his couch. But i've only ever read "in union with" and not assembled. If the word "assembled" was used, then that would imply a location is required also. Assembled where? In Rome? Or Fatima? Or Russia? But no location was mentioned so I don't think assembled was part of the original request.
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Addendum: I just learned that the Instagram post is directly copied from his Sunday Angelus. Not trying to give credit to the "consecration", but it did mention the Immaculate Heart.
Here's the full quote:
"Consecrations of humanity" (or something like that) to the Immaculate Heart were already performed by Popes before Vatican II.
I think this "consecration of humanity" on Friday will only serve as Rome's excuse to reject future requests of the true consecration of Russia. In a few years, or maybe even next year, when some bishops request it again, they'll just say "it has already been done in 2022".
I invite every community and all the faithful to unite with me on Friday 25 March, the Solemnity of the Annunciation, for the Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that she, the Queen of Peace, may help us obtain peace.
LOL. So he's not only "inviting" the bishops, he's inviting all. What a joke.
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I invite every community and all the faithful to unite with me on Friday 25 March, the Solemnity of the Annunciation, for the Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that she, the Queen of Peace, may help us obtain peace.
LOL. So he's not only "inviting" the bishops, he's inviting all. What a joke.
No conversion...just "peace".
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Assembled would imply formality, ie a Bishop should pray this in his diocesan chapel and not sitting at home on his couch. But i've only ever read "in union with" and not assembled. If the word "assembled" was used, then that would imply a location is required also. Assembled where? In Rome? Or Fatima? Or Russia? But no location was mentioned so I don't think assembled was part of the original request.
Yes, I may be wrong. I can't remember where I saw that word. Perhaps in another post here or elsewhere? I don't know.
Regardless, how would anyone know whether all of the bishops have taken part if they aren't present? I am beginning to wonder whether this is why it was never done.
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No conversion...just "peace".
No intention to make reparation to Her Immaculate Heart for blasphemies, including those of Bergoglio against Our Blessed Mother. That's what Our Lady meant by it being an act of reparation. This is nothing more than a petition ... for peace. As you said, not of conversion, because Bergoglio denounces efforts to convert people. This apostate consecration will not achieve the ends that Our Lady promised for it.
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No conversion...just "peace".
So we can continue to sin in "peace".
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No intention to make reparation to Her Immaculate Heart for blasphemies, including those of Bergoglio against Our Blessed Mother. That's what Our Lady meant by it being an act of reparation. This is nothing more than a petition ... for peace. As you said, not of conversion, because Bergoglio denounces efforts to convert people. This apostate consecration will not achieve the ends that Our Lady promised for it.
Our Lady of La Salette:
“If my people do not wish to submit themselves, I am forced to let go off the hand of my Son. It is so heavy and weighs me down so much I can no longer keep hold of it. I have suffered all of the time for the rest of you!"
We honestly deserve nuclear war for these offenses. :facepalm:
So we can continue to sin in "peace".
That's the real kicker here. Many just seem to think that the world would go on as it is now once the consecration is made just with better economies and more luxuries for all. Not that the Hand of God will finally drop and crush His enemies (most of mankind these days).
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The message reads:
They do not post any links to where they got this information that it is " in union with all the bishops".
Where does that come from?
There's a letter from the nuncio to the US bishops asking them to join in the consecration.
Regardless of what we personally think about this, the fruits will show whether or not Heaven accepts this. Let us continue to pray!
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A false consecration by a false "pope", the head of a false new church which has taken over the true Church, what could possibly go wrong? ::)