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Offline Stubborn

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Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2022, 08:23:13 AM »
This is only a few hours old

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI Will Join in the Consecration of Russia and Ukraine

CNA Staff
Vatican
March 21, 2022
VATICAN CITY — Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI will join with Pope Francis and the bishops of the world in praying for the consecration of Russia and Ukraine on March 25.

He will do so privately, however, and will not be present at the consecration ceremony at St. Peter’s Basilica.....
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2022, 09:42:54 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on March 21, 2022, 08:23:13 AM
This is only a few hours old

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI Will Join in the Consecration of Russia and Ukraine

CNA Staff
Vatican
March 21, 2022
VATICAN CITY — Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI will join with Pope Francis and the bishops of the world in praying for the consecration of Russia and Ukraine on March 25.

He will do so privately, however, and will not be present at the consecration ceremony at St. Peter’s Basilica.....

Good enough.  If, by some chance, the "Benevacantists" are right, and he is indeed still the Pope, then you have a Pope, you have the bishops (though not consciously in union with Benedict, except for possibly Archbishop Lenga in Poland), then, very possibly, you have the consecration.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2022, 09:46:21 AM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on March 21, 2022, 09:42:54 AM
Good enough.  If, by some chance, the "Benevacantists" are right, and he is indeed still the Pope, then you have a Pope, you have the bishops (though not consciously in union with Benedict, except for possibly Archbishop Lenga in Poland), then, very possibly, you have the consecration.

Barnhardt's argument (she's Bennyvacantist) is that Ratzinger would have to be visibly present.  Not sure if she'll amend that to (he could be morally present).
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2022, 09:59:44 AM »

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Barnhardt's argument (she's Bennyvacantist) is that Ratzinger would have to be visibly present. 
I don't get why people insert these extra requirements?  Our Lady never said where anyone had to be, or not be, whether sitting or standing, whether at a certain time, on a certain day, neither raining or sunshine.  She simply asked for the consecration, in union with the bishops.  She never said everyone had to be in the same room, or city, or even country (which, is obviously not feasible, because even an ecuмenical council never has 100% attendance due to old age, sickness, etc).
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2022, 10:15:30 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 21, 2022, 09:59:44 AM
I don't get why people insert these extra requirements?  Our Lady never said where anyone had to be, or not be, whether sitting or standing, whether at a certain time, on a certain day, neither raining or sunshine.  She simply asked for the consecration, in union with the bishops.  She never said everyone had to be in the same room, or city, or even country (which, is obviously not feasible, because even an ecuмenical council never has 100% attendance due to old age, sickness, etc).

Well, she did say that the POPE had to PERFORM the consecration.  So given her belief that Ratzinger is the pope, she holds that he would have to DO the consecration.  Currently she's saying it would suffice for him to be visibly present (if they [her phrase] rolled him out in a wheelchair while Bergoglio did it).

She also said in union with ALL the bishops (not just in union with the bishops, as you put it).

So you missed two aspect of what Our Lady said, that the Pope had to do it (you just said it had to be done) and that ALL the bishops had to do it (you just had "the bishops").
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