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SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
« on: February 03, 2024, 05:14:55 PM »
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    • Just got a notice from Fr. Alphonsus cSSr
    A couple years ago +Fellay encouraged him to buy land and start a Traditional Redemptorist formation house, to be connected to the SSPX.
    After donations and building starts, Menzingen now closed down the formation house and it will now be used only as a retreat house.
    Why???  Too much competition for the new SSPX seminary?
    Redemptorists are great missionary priests as can be seen from Fr. Alphonsus' youtube contributions.

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    RETREATS AT HRH
    3 February 2024|Monastery News
    After we had been encouraged by Bishop Fellay to start a house of formation ad experimentum for future Redemptorist novices, Menzingen has implemented a protocol for religious orders that entails us closing our novitiate for now.
    Although the novitiate is closing, Holy Redeemer House will continue to remain open as a Redemptorist Monastery associated with the Society of St. Pius X, and will act as a house of prayer and contemplation, as well as a base for our apostolate of Parish Missions.
    Our building project, now halfway completed, will be used for men’s retreats, which is an integral part of our Rule and apostolate. Men will be able to come singly or in groups of up to 6 to experience a Redemptorist retreat.
    Local singles, couples, and families will also be able to arrange a guided day of recollection, with the opportunity to speak to a priest.
    Our building project should be ready to receive retreatants later this spring. The “barnastery” will be dedicated to the memory of Fr. George Kathrein, C.Ss.R.
    We are sincerely grateful to all our benefactors for your support. Your intentions are remembered at daily Mass and in our daily prayers. As we go forward, your prayers and support will continue to be important to us.
    If you have any questions, or if you are interested in scheduling a retreat or a day of recollection at Holy Redeemer House, please feel free to contact us at our website, redemptoris.org.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #1 on: February 03, 2024, 07:14:11 PM »
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    • From their website, when +Fellay (he of the two faces and fake smile) blessed their House of Formation:
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #2 on: February 03, 2024, 07:14:55 PM »
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    • Very interesting that Father uses the term "Menzingen", a pejorative term used by the Resistance.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #3 on: February 03, 2024, 09:10:20 PM »
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    • This is pretty disappointing. One wonders why the redemptorists were told to close the novitiate.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #4 on: February 04, 2024, 05:14:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 03, 2024, 07:14:55 PM
    Very interesting that Father uses the term "Menzingen", a pejorative term used by the Resistance.
    Looks like they just cut him off at the knees. This news is terrible for all involved.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #5 on: February 04, 2024, 09:40:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on February 04, 2024, 05:14:13 AM
    Looks like they just cut him off at the knees. This news is terrible for all involved.

    Seems reminiscent of +Fellay withholding ordinations back in the day.  Maybe Fr. Alphonsus said something Fellay didn't appreciate.  It's either the Fellay way or the highway.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #6 on: February 04, 2024, 09:45:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 03, 2024, 07:14:55 PM
    Very interesting that Father uses the term "Menzingen", a pejorative term used by the Resistance.


    It's like we talk about "Washington" (US Gov't) doing this or that, or "Rome" (Conciliar Church) doing this or that.
    But yeah -- they act like a Church of their own, or a government authority. So it's appropriate.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #7 on: February 04, 2024, 10:25:50 AM »
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    • Notice this line "implemented a protocol for religious orders that entails us closing our novitiate for now."

    So was the protocol that said the Redemptorist must close for now or was that protocol had conditions that Fr. Alphonsus could not agree to and thus he has to close for now. What about the other religious groups, did the protocol apply to them too, and are any of them closing or are they complying? What was the conditions?
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #8 on: February 04, 2024, 10:38:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on February 04, 2024, 10:25:50 AM
    Notice this line "implemented a protocol for religious orders that entails us closing our novitiate for now."

    So was the protocol that said the Redemptorist must close for now or was that protocol had conditions that Fr. Alphonsus could not agree to and thus he has to close for now. What about the other religious groups, did the protocol apply to them too, and are any of them closing or are they complying? What was the conditions?

    Good point. What is this "mysterious protocol" that the SSPX hasn't said *anything* about publicly?
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #9 on: February 04, 2024, 10:52:59 AM »
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    • If there has ever been a time when the world needed 'a parish mission', that time is now.  The Redemptorists would be one of the key locations or 'strategies' you'd infuse with cash and we know there isn't a shortage of that.  Pretty sad.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #10 on: February 04, 2024, 11:04:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on February 04, 2024, 10:38:28 AM
    Good point. What is this "mysterious protocol" that the SSPX hasn't said *anything* about publicly?
    The story I got was *if* +Fellay was still district superior, then there would be no issue. However, +Fellay was in no position of authority to authorize the startup. IOW, they're closing it down because he did not go through the proper channels. Needless to say that Fr. Alphonsus and the others there, along with the faithful who go there for Mass and sacraments, are displeased with the decision. But it's not over, not just yet anyway.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #11 on: February 04, 2024, 11:30:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on February 04, 2024, 09:40:25 AM
    Seems reminiscent of +Fellay withholding ordinations back in the day.  Maybe Fr. Alphonsus said something Fellay didn't appreciate.  It's either the Fellay way or the highway.

    It's possible that one one of his missions Father Alphonsus said something from the pulpit that got reported back to +Fellay, and then from +Fellay to "Menzingen".

    I think Father Alphonsus is a terrific priest.  He filled in for Father Carley for a couple weeks about 7-8 years ago when Father broke his hip.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #12 on: February 04, 2024, 11:33:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on February 04, 2024, 11:04:33 AM
    The story I got was *if* +Fellay was still district superior, then there would be no issue. However, +Fellay was in no position of authority to authorize the startup. IOW, they're closing it down because he did not go through the proper channels. Needless to say that Fr. Alphonsus and the others there, along with the faithful who go there for Mass and sacraments, are displeased with the decision. But it's not over, not just yet anyway.

    So Father John Fullerton shut it down?  I doubt it, since Father said Menzingen.  I think you meant that +Fellay is no longer Superior General, not District Superior.  I don't think it's solely up to a District Superior.
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #13 on: February 04, 2024, 12:03:12 PM »
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    • It's my understanding that Father was going to model the Order after the Transalpine Redemptorists on Papa Stronsay in Scotland, BEFORE they contracted with Rome (and were promptly reined in)

    If I remember correctly they followed a monastic lifestyle and gave missions and retreats and heavily promoted devotion to Our Mother of Perpetual Help following the example of St. Alphonsus de Ligouri.  They also continued/established/resurrected the Purgatorian Society and had a fantastic monthly paper the "CATHOLIC". which was the best I've ever subscribed to.
    They were founded in 1988 and affiliated with the SSPX under the Archbishop.

    The SSPX mainly function as "parish priests" with schools.  I think what Father was aiming to resurrect  is badly needed by us in tradition.

    I understand Father needs a Bishop for his endeavour... + Williamson?


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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #14 on: February 04, 2024, 12:23:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 04, 2024, 11:30:32 AM
    I think Father Alphonsus is a terrific priest. 

    He's an excellent confessor and probably the best I've gone to.  His ability to be succinct while cutting to the essence has always been amazing quite frankly.  
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