Author Topic: Cardinal Siri (Read 7642 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #30 on:** June 29, 2010, 12:03:13 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

It's easy to talk about how bogus it is, Caminus, if you haven't seen it. An honest person would at least look into the possibility instead of dismissing it because of one proponent of this theory.

It's stupid to throw the baby out with the bath water, and that's essentially what you are doing when you dismiss this because of --- you know who.

And you cite that he couldn't tell the secret. Sure, a dumb thing for a pope to do, however, how many dumb things have we seen the conciliar popes do?

That is really a stupid argument.

been looking at it-largely do not buy Siri thesis, but will keep mind open......

Belloc · « **Reply #31 on:** June 29, 2010, 12:05:36 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Not all proponents of the Siri theory believe that he appointed a successor. There's no credible evidence for that.

I do believe that he was elected and forced to step down.

maybe, but if elected, he chose to step down, so after that, was not a pope or pope in the making....some have stepped down in the past, hence other men then elected.....some have refused to give in and were martyred.....the thesis, if true, still casts a poor pall over Siri....

Alexandria · « **Reply #32 on:** June 29, 2010, 01:34:18 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Quote from: roscoe
Here is another source gleaned from somewhere on this site

http://www.eclipseofthechurch.com/Articles.htm

Additionally, I believe there is someone named Giufre who has published this info.

I think Giuffre dismissed it. He was working with the Gibsons on it, (specifically Hutton) and I guess the deal was off.

I would have liked to see what he had. I think they even had a movie they were going to put together on this, but I haven't heard anything for years.

If you go to www.huttongibson.com, he has books that you can download. Download The Enemy Is Still Here III. I'm not sure where it is in the book, but he goes into what happened with Giuffre.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #33 on:** June 29, 2010, 06:01:15 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

maybe, but if elected, he chose to step down, so after that, was not a pope or pope in the making....some have stepped down in the past, hence other men then elected.....some have refused to give in and were martyred.....the thesis, if true, still casts a poor pall over Siri....

That's completely wrong. If he stepped down under duress, his stepping down would have been invalid and the subsequent election uncanonical. What it says about Siri doesn't ultimately matter. We don't know the kinds of threats to which he may have been subjected. One anecdotal report had the Soviets threatening to nuke the Vatican and various cities if Siri had gone on to be pope.

Agobard · « **Reply #34 on:** June 29, 2010, 06:36:42 PM »

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that despite his conservatism he celebrated the Mass according to the reformed 1970 Roman Missal and the other revised sacraments, and that he signed all of the docuмents of the Second Vatican Council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Siri#Conclave_speculation

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #35 on:** June 29, 2010, 11:27:10 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Belloc
maybe, but if elected, he chose to step down, so after that, was not a pope or pope in the making....some have stepped down in the past, hence other men then elected.....some have refused to give in and were martyred.....the thesis, if true, still casts a poor pall over Siri....

That's completely wrong. If he stepped down under duress, his stepping down would have been invalid and the subsequent election uncanonical. What it says about Siri doesn't ultimately matter. We don't know the kinds of threats to which he may have been subjected. One anecdotal report had the Soviets threatening to nuke the Vatican and various cities if Siri had gone on to be pope.

And this is why I wanted to look into it, because obviously the name "Gregory XVII" didn't get out there by accident. I just want to know the circuмstances, and if he really were the pope, then we have an obligation to find out what happened.

Thursday · « **Reply #36 on:** June 30, 2010, 01:35:42 AM »

What needs to be established is whether he was put under duress not to accept the papacy. Whether he said the NO mass or signed the docuмents is another matter, the enemy obvious has its ways of making people do things. He is quoted as saying they can kill me at any time.

Listen to the 1 hr interview from the Richard Syrett show on David Hobson's website.
http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/listensubscribe.htm

Agobard · « **Reply #37 on:** June 30, 2010, 11:50:11 AM »

What a terrific "pope" in hiding. "But if he did not celebrate the new "Mass", the evildoers would have done something really, really bad. And if he didn't sign all of the docuмents of the Second Vatican Council, those evildoers would again have done something really, really bad!!" :shocked:

Ok, nice try. Second Vatican Council = Heretical. Those signing the docuмents are signing onto heresy.

"But the agent David Hobson tell me..."

Next topic. :wink:

Alexandria · « **Reply #38 on:** June 30, 2010, 01:09:20 PM »

Speaking of Cardinal Siri and the papacy, does anyone here know what happened to the website run by that couple in southern Idaho that had information on it about him? It seems to have disappeared. Perhaps they had a change of heart?

Agobard · « **Reply #39 on:** June 30, 2010, 02:16:48 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Malfunction.

Need input?

roscoe · « **Reply #40 on:** June 30, 2010, 03:48:53 PM »

Whatever the problems that come after the first white smoke, Siri is the only cardinal that can claim to be validly elected.

Alexandria-- do you remember the name of the site?