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Offline Sin of Adam

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Sedevacantism is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
« on: October 23, 2020, 12:43:30 PM »
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    Offline Your Friend Colin

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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #1 on: October 23, 2020, 12:52:50 PM »
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    • “These teachings aren’t infallible. Dismissed.”
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #2 on: October 23, 2020, 12:58:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sin of Adam on October 23, 2020, 12:45:47 PM
    Submit yourselves to your satanic "Pope!"  :laugh1: :laugh2:

    Ridiculous.

    It's interesting to see that there are some sedes who get really crazy and upset when Francis proclaims yet another heresy, as if he's getting worse and worse. Francis is a Modernist heretic, and has been for a long time. Duh. We already know that. No need to have a fit over it, and proclaim others to be heretics just because they aren't sedes.

    I thought that Sedeism is supposed to give a certain amount of comfort to Catholics who need that sort of thing, so that they don't have to have anxiety over the Pope question. I'm pretty sure it's not really working out that way for you, Adam.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline Matto

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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #3 on: October 23, 2020, 01:06:51 PM »
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    • So what type of sede are you, Sin of Adam? SGG? CMRI? SSPV? Other?
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    Offline Sin of Adam

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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #4 on: October 23, 2020, 01:13:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on October 23, 2020, 01:06:51 PM
    So what type of sede are you, Sin of Adam? SGG? CMRI? SSPV? Other?
    I am Sedeprivationist except that I also reject BOD and BOB for anyone not a catechumen as heresy.

    So "other."
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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #5 on: October 23, 2020, 01:16:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sin of Adam on October 23, 2020, 12:43:30 PM
    In our day there are a lot of people who call themselves, and mean to be, traditional Roman Catholics. Yet a great many of them do not hold to the traditional Catholic understanding of the Papacy, either because they do not know it or because they unhappily accept the “Popes” after Pius XII as valid and legitimate but know that they cannot submit to them without abandoning the traditional Catholic Faith. 

    Every sedevacantist bishop was consecrated without a papal mandate which is forbidden by the 1917 Code of canon law, and every sedevacantist priest says mass and hears confessions without faculties, which is also forbidden by the same Code.  Sede priests and bishops recognize Benedict XV's papacy as legitimate, yet resist laws he promulgated in the 1917 Code every single day.  And what I mentioned are only a few of the laws they violate on a daily or weekly basis.  

    Fr. Cekada wrote a book tearing about the liturgical laws of Pius XII whom he recognized as a Pope, and refused to use the missal he promulgated.
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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #6 on: October 23, 2020, 01:34:44 PM »
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    • Oh goodie.  Condemnations all around!   :laugh1:
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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #7 on: October 23, 2020, 01:34:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sin of Adam on October 23, 2020, 01:23:28 PM
    Who said anything about the topics above?
    Just because "a leads to b and b is unacceptable to me then a is wrong." No. "a" is this case is objective correct. The consequences of it are another topic altogether.
    Either way though, the Sedevacantist Thuc line Bishops & Priests are doubtfully ordained/consecrated and are typically heretics for believing in BOD & BOB in addition to what you mentioned above.
    What are your a and b?   Do you agree that every sede priest and bishops "recognizes and resists" on a daily basis by acknowledging Benedict as a legitimate Pope and reject the laws he promulgated?
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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #8 on: October 23, 2020, 01:42:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 23, 2020, 01:34:44 PM
    Oh goodie.  Condemnations all around!   :laugh1:
    Early Halloween candy for you.  ;)
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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #9 on: October 23, 2020, 01:52:11 PM »
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    • Whether Bergoglio is a false Pope or not is a different issue.  I just wanted to establish that you concede that all sede priests and bishops recognize and resist on a daily basis, since you OP is a condemnation of the R&R position.

    But what about you.  Do you attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of obligation as the law of the Church has demanded since the earlier years, or do you also recognize and resist by "refusing to follow the valid promulgations of real Popes"?

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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #10 on: October 23, 2020, 02:31:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sin of Adam on October 23, 2020, 02:20:16 PM
    I have no need to resist anything as I believe in the obligation, but I cannot do what is impossible for me to do under the circuмstances. Communion with heretics to fulfill days of Obligation is not permissible. Doing what is evil for a greater good is not a permissible concept in Catholic moral theology.
    I see.  So you don't obey "valid promulgations of real Popes", and you justify it by appealing to the extraordinary circuмstances caused by the crisis in the Church.  Tell me again why you object to the recognize and resist position?
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    Re: R&R is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #11 on: October 23, 2020, 03:26:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sin of Adam on October 23, 2020, 02:36:36 PM
    If you were stuck on an island with no access to the Mass on Sundays, what would you do?
    Would you justify your lack of attending Mass by "appealing to your extraordinary circuмstances?"  :fryingpan:
    Or course, because I believe "recognize and resist" is justified in extraordinary circuмstances.  I'm just wondering why you object in principle to the R&R position that you practice.

    But at least you only practice R&R on Sundays, Holy Days, and once a year by failing to go to confession during Easter time.  The sedevacantist priest and bishops practice it every day when they say Mass.
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    Re: Sedevacantism is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #12 on: October 23, 2020, 04:18:19 PM »
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    • Why do you feel the need to come on a non-sede forum and say stuff like this?  Are there no Sede forums for you to post on?

    Begone, TROLL. You're clearly a troll whose only purpose is to get reactions from people.

    Go troll somewhere else. Maybe join a Vegan forum and talk about eating raw animals with your bare teeth. That's the class of person you are -- immature, looking to get reactions out of people.
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    Re: Sedevacantism is heresy and those who hold to it are heretics
    « Reply #13 on: October 23, 2020, 04:21:08 PM »
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    • So this "Sin of Adam" character has been banned for trolling.
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