In defense of St John Paul2 in relation to the paedophile scandals:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2613107/John-Paul-biographer-aide-defend-sex-abuse-record.html


Evidence of limited contemporary Papal control


 “My authority ends at that door…”

-Pope Benedict XVI-

Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.

24 Apr 2005 - HOMILY OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI. St. Peter's Square ....


http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2012-0615-ferrara-vatileaks.htm



Malachi Martin testifies St John-Paul 2 tried to re-instate Latin Mass and largely hamstrung in the Vatican.









Maybe you need to find someone else to point your finger at ggreg, so you can make yourself feel superior. For indeed, that is what this hatred of the conciliar popes is about  - pride.


Hence:

   

2 Thessalonians 2:10

"Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:"



The time will come!
   

Psalms 34:26

"Let them be clothed with confusion and shame, who speak great things against me."



And may Almighty God please let us see it when it happens, who are sick of your multiple offences!

   

Jude 1:8

In like manner these men ....... despise dominion, and blaspheme majesty.

Resolute said:


I thought this was supposed to be a CATHOLIC chat board!  Where is the truth in this topic folks?


St John Paul 2 is a declared (ex cathedra) saint of the Church. I am upholding his sainthood against the many on CI who refuse it.


Since the honor we pay the saints is in a certain sense a profession of faith, i.e., a belief in the glory of the Saints we must piously believe that in this matter also the judgment of the Church is not liable to error." St Thomas


For if they refuse it, they defy the infallibility of the Pope in canonisations or his legitimacy, in opposition to the Holy Ghost:


Vatican 1: Session 4: 18 July 1870


On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs

"That which our Lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time.

    For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood .

Fr Malachi Martin affirms St John Paul 2 tried to restore the Latin Mass on equal parity with the NO.


Holy Fr Ruatolo endorses St John Paul 2


http://pelianito.stblogs.com/files/2010/08/Novena-of-surrender-to-the-will-of-God.pdf



God bless all!

You are nuts, that simple. Don't know how to put it to you, totally deluded individual.

"St. John Paul the Great" is no Saint, and definitely was an enemy of the faith. I acknowledge this as a fact, before I became a Sedevacantist and as a kid. Its no secret, you don't need people to demonstrate the obvious.

Reminds me of someone I was staying with 3 months, long story. Well anyways the pious lady, kept insisting to me that Wojtyla was a traditionalist and that it was the evil Cardinals preventing him from celebrating the true mass etc...


So then I printed, showed her videos of Wojtyla, read to her the excommunication of +Lefebvre word for word. Then accompanied that with some audio, and it is a FACT that he did excommunicate him. Anyone who denies this, needs to be checked to see if he is indeed capable of distinguishing reality from fiction.  

Keep praying to that demon, you my friend are a schismatic and not a Catholic. You promote the new religion, by praying to that demon. Not only do you defend, the indefensible. Have the decency to be like the SSPX, and keep an agnostic position.

Malachi Martin, was a fraud and knew how to be able to say totally unsubstantiated things. I do not know the state of his soul, or if he repented. All I know is that he did lots of terrible things during Vatican II, generally kept people inside the Conciliar Church and simply I can go on forever. A good audio on him, that shows all the links, and evidence of what I am making claims is in Restoration Radio. He has a whole rap sheet behind him, I trust him and take everything he says with a grain of salt. Which by the way, I have read 5 of his books and I am talking about the thick ones. I have also listened to a great deal of his interviews, and have done my homework. So please do not accuse me of being rash, it took me years to form an opinion on this man. As I was unwilling to condemn him without being ABSOLUTELY sure, that he truly was indeed a fraud.

Those who disagree with me, well there is the proof. Its in the pudding, just listen to the sort of illogical stuff that he says leads to. Montini some sort of "prisoner", Wojtyla some crypto hero of the faith etc... While lets totally forget all the objective words/deeds/heresies the man produced.

General life advice, stick to the objective factual evidence and stay away from  :tinfoil: people who advocate fairy stories.

Go on keep pretending that Vatican I, means what you say when it is clear that the meaning is talking about the successors of Peter in the primacy.

The orthodox accept that St. Peter had universal jurisdiction, but they deny that his successors have it. That is all those who have not lost their office through heresy, will inherit the same jurisdiction that St. Peter had.

Vatican I Pastor Aeternus:
http://fisheaters.com/pastoraeternus.html

5. Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema.

Cardinal Manning, who was a great defender of these Petrine Dogma's. He wrote that the anti-Christ will be an anti-Pope. For it would be impossible for the succession of the anti-Christ and the near universal acceptance of him. If he is not prepared by the best servants of Lucifer, the current anti-Popes.

Father Kolbe had an interesting experience that left him marked for the rest of his life http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/KOLANTI.htm:

In Masonic demonstrations celebrating Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ's bicentenary, flags bearing an effigy of Lucifer were carried through the streets by demonstrators shouting: "The Devil shall rule in the Vatican and the Pope will be his lackey."

All this made a tremendous impression on the young Franciscan who realized the power of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and its anti-Christian presumptions. Yet, while he realized the danger Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ presented for the Catholic Church, he pitied the souls of the Freemasons, many of Jєωιѕн heritage, who, he believed, were in danger of eternal damnation.

All of these things were post-Vatican I, and there are several other's. Some of the reputable theologians who had not one ounce of liberalism/modernism in them, all of whose interpretations are directly opposed to yours. Your reading, is called proof-texting what you do is you read these things not according to the mind of the Church, but without any understanding.

The FSSP and many other in the indult use this canon of Vatican I, as their "final proof" that the sedevacantists are wrong. Yet, the error is so basic that it really fails the most basic test of reason, much less theology. The famous good/bad father argument is another famous one. You really need to quit being emotional about these things, and start doing your reading. For people continually have posted excellent material and your dishonesty, and insults to those who take the time to respond to you.

I could simply go and be enjoying my sweet time, eating good food, exercising, doing other things, rather then answering bad willed people like you that show no sort of intellectual honesty. That just simply copy/paste things with no understanding. As a simple thank you, for the favor of taking the time to make long posts. Read the material that people give you, or put it on your to do list. For these matters are truly life/death matters, because you are being deceived by false prophets and teachers. You are being warned, but you choose to simply totally ignore everything people write to you.

If you don't understand, or maybe post where you are confused. Anyone will be more then happy to help, but instead you just troll people with total random stuff. Your short responses, are riddled with logical fallacies. I am done with you, as I have more important things to read. If anyone else wants to pick it up , please do so. No sense of decency in some individuals, so many good people here that post and take off their sacred time of which no one will ever give you back, to try to answer your questions. It can be easily demonstrated that we have operated under true principles of charity, and the sort of demonic religion you preach is not a love for truth, but novelty. Know that when you stand before the Final Judge, my words and those who have warned you will condemn you. For there will be no defense to those who have been warned... You can go and pretend that everything is perfectly okay, but now the worm of doubt has been planted. If you do not seek the truth after this, you stand self-condemned.

The Conciliar anti-Popes != (logic notation, does not equal) friends of tradition.

Thomisticphilosopher states:

Go on keep pretending that Vatican I, means what you say when it is clear that the meaning is talking about the successors of Peter in the primacy.



Vatican 1 states:

Chapter 2. On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs

    That which our Lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time .

    For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood.


St Paul says:

1 Timothy 6:3-5

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to that doctrine which is according to godliness,  He is proud, knowing nothing, but sick about questions and strifes of words; from which arise envies, contentions, blasphemies, evil suspicions,  Conflicts of men corrupted in mind, and who are destitute of the truth,

No it is obvious you have no intellect, and no love.

Love is not sentimental, emotional, affective none of these things are the powers of the soul.

We know as the Church tells us, that the powers of the soul are the intellect and the will. It is solely through these means that we are capable of loving.

Summa II-II Q. 23 A. 6 http://www.dhspriory.org/thomas/english/summa/SS/SS023.html#SSQ23A6THEP1

Hence charity is more excellent than faith or hope, and, consequently, than all the other virtues, just as prudence, which by itself attains reason, is more excellent than the other moral virtues, which attain reason in so far as it appoints the mean in human operations or passions.

Summa II-II Q. 23 A. 7http://www.dhspriory.org/thomas/english/summa/SS/SS023.html#SSQ23A7THEP1

Whether any true virtue is possible without charity? ...Accordingly no strictly true virtue is possible without charity.

John 17:[17] Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. [18] As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. [19] And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.

There is only true sanctity in the truth, and not heretical false opinions such as those you espouse. A man who committed more public acts of idolatry, that led to the detriment of the faith is to be worshiped and emulated by all Catholics. Okay, I don't know what sort of logic is that. How is that anywhere close to truth?

Interesting observation, as to what true frienship is according to St. Thomas.

Summa II-II Q. 23 A.1 http://www.dhspriory.org/thomas/english/summa/SS/SS023.html#SSQ23A1THEP1

Whether charity is friendship?
Yet neither does well-wishing suffice for friendship, for a certain mutual love is requisite, since friendship is between friend and friend: and this well-wishing is founded on some kind of communication.

...The love which is based on this communication, is charity: wherefore it is evident that charity is the friendship of man for God.

QUAESTIONES DISPUTATAE DE VIRTUTIBUS
Disputed Questions on the Virtues Question 1: On charity
http://www.dhspriory.org/thomas/english/QDdeVirtutibus2.htm#1

Article 1. Whether the Object to Be Loved Out of Charity Is a Rational Nature? I answer that...This difficulty being removed, it will follow, first, that the act of charity is an act of the will. Secondly, if it is granted that the act of the will can be entirely from an extrinsic principle, as acts of the hands or feet, it will also follow that if the act of charity is only from the movement of extrinsic principle, it cannot be meritorious.

Article 7. Whether the Object to Be Loved Out of Charity Is a Rational Nature? On the contrary, it is said (Levit. xix. 18), Love your neighbor as yourself. The Gloss is: Your neighbor is such not only by closeness of blood-relationship, but also by way of the fellowship of reason. Therefore, according as anything shares with us in the society of rational natures, so it is lovable out of charity. Therefore rational nature is the object of charity.

This really should put an end to your sentimentalists, affective understanding notions of charity you have.

Hebrews 11:[6] But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him.

2 Thessalonians 2:10
And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:

Lastly, you can see the connection with holiness and truth. Which is what I have claimed since the start, and every post I have ever made.

   
Ephesians 4:24
And put on the new man, who according to God is created in justice and holiness of truth.

To Thomisticphilosopher:


You have not answered:


Firstly, sedevacantism is made void simply as follows:


Vatican 1 - Infallible Council


Chapter 2. On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs


    That which our Lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time  .

    For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood.



And the right to declare a Pope a heretic by private judgement is proscribed by Our Lord:


Matthew 18:15-17

"But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.

And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.


Thus, as long as the Pope is canonically elected, he has the Keys. Thus, all must be subject to him for salvation.