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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: andysloan on October 22, 2014, 01:02:41 PM
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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/romes-exorcist-finding-bl.-john-paul-ii-effective-against-satan/
Happy Feast feast Day St Pope John Paul 2!
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The devils are pretending that JPII is effective against them in order to keep up the pretence that JPII is a saint.
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Not this clown again. He is always spouting nonsense.
Father Gabriele Amorth has carried out most of his 70,000 exorcisms over the past 26 years.
Right, so he has done 3000 exorcisms per year. Or 10 per day?
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I do not believe it.
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A man like John Paul II? Anthrocentric, false religion-adoring Karol Wojtyla? He is not a saint. Wojtyla is probably adored by the devils.
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Fr. Amorth also said "Medjugorje is a fortress against Satan," which strikes me as akin to saying "Hollywood is a fortress against the Jews."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i5otFwkhF0
Fr Malachi Martin affirms St John Paul 2 tried to restore the Latin Mass on equal parity with the NO.
Holy Fr Ruatolo endorses St John Paul 2
http://pelianito.stblogs.com/files/2010/08/Novena-of-surrender-to-the-will-of-God.pdf
God bless all!
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"A man like John Paul II? Anthrocentric, false religion-adoring Karol Wojtyla? He is not a saint. Wojtyla is probably adored by the devils. "
What has a statement like this got to do with Roman Catholicism?
Hebrews 12:14
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness: without which no man shall see God."
Ecclesiastes 9:1
All these things have I considered in my heart, that I might carefully understand them: there are just men and wise men, and their works are in the hand of God: and yet man knoweth not whether he be worthy of love, or hatred:
I think you ought to stop speculating on the destination of St John Paul 2, arrogating a judgement to yourself that belongs to God and consider the devils who clearly have agency through you!
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It is a shame to see John Paul II being promoted on this forum which is supposed to be for traditional Catholics.
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It is an inevitability. We live in confused times and this is a forum. All sorts of things get said in a forum.
Look on the ingredients list of any snack food and you will find a warning. "This product may contain nuts". Even packets of nuts have that warning. Clearly, human beings are pretty confused and muddled if you legally must warn them that a packet of nuts may contain nuts.
Well, Internet fora also may contain nuts. Nothing much can be done about it other than mocking them or ignoring them until their threads sink to the bottom. If one is allergic to nuts one should stay out of fora or do one's best to ignore their rantings.
One of the great things about this place is Matthew's tolerance of such ideas and, let's be fair, we all let out a brain fart occasionally don't we? It is part of the process of thinking that, occasionally, even smart people have stupid thoughts.
Surely, this is what a forum is all about. In ancient Greece I am sure there were all sorts of crazy ideas thrown into the debate and the stupider ones shot down with wit, scorn and polemic. What remains and is deemed worthy of debate and discussion, argument and counter argument is the stuff good ideas are made of.
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The devils are pretending that JPII is effective against them in order to keep up the pretence that JPII is a saint.
Isn't it like those who said of Jesus, "He casts out demons by the Prince of Demons?"
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The devils are pretending that JPII is effective against them in order to keep up the pretence that JPII is a saint.
Isn't it like those who said of Jesus, "He casts out demons by the Prince of Demons?"
Except that in this case it's most likely true.
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ggreg said:
"Well, Internet fora also may contain nuts. Nothing much can be done about it other than mocking them or ignoring them until their threads sink to the bottom. If one is allergic to nuts one should stay out of fora or do one's best to ignore their rantings. "
Proverbs 3:32
"For every mocker is an abomination to the Lord"
Ecclesiasticus 32:21
"A sinful man will flee reproof, and will find an excuse according to his will."
And CI is no longer substantively a Traditional website, as there is a large constituency of schismatics as measured by the fact they do not accept infallible canonisations and speak disgracefully against canonically legitimate popes:
Psalms 34:26
"Let them be clothed with confusion and shame, who speak great things against me.
Hence, God has given many into error and removed them from His church because of their behaviour:
"a heretic is one who either devises or follows false and new opinions, for the sake of some temporal profit, especially that he may lord and be honored above others." Therefore heresy is a species of pride rather than of unbelief. St Augustine quoted by St Thomas
and why as St Vincent Ferrer said in a sermon, that Catholics will be given over to the power of the antichrist in the time to come:
Wisdom 11:17
"That they might know that by what things a man sinneth, by the same also he is tormented."
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Not this clown again. He is always spouting nonsense.
Father Gabriele Amorth has carried out most of his 70,000 exorcisms over the past 26 years.
Right, so he has done 3000 exorcisms per year. Or 10 per day?
I think that priest is deluded as to what constitutes an exorcism.
Sure every time, I pray the St. Michael the Archangel it is a mini-exorcism prayer. If I pray the Salve Regina, it is an exorcist prayer and so forth.
What we are talking about is 70,000 different thousand individuals liberated from demoniac activity. That is just a huge exaggeration. Most exorcism cases, that are truly of demonic origin can take even years to finish a single case. This guy has no idea of what he is talking about. I think he should join the Ghostbusters, but not as an exorcist. He might find the job is more suitable there, where he can fight against evil forces too.
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I think you will find the 170,000 refers to the number of demons cast out (see link).
Fr Amorth also bears witness to exorcisms by St Pope John Paul 2 and Pope Francis
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331651/Catholic-Church-s-leading-exorcist-calls-Pope-allow-priests-perform-rite-personally-ridding-world-160-000-demons.html#ixzz2jnFpVxBs
God bless!
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So JP2 was able to exorcise demons, but not hand any clerical paedophiles over to face justice?
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In defense of St John Paul2 in relation to the paedophile scandals:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2613107/John-Paul-biographer-aide-defend-sex-abuse-record.html
Evidence of limited contemporary Papal control
“My authority ends at that door…”
-Pope Benedict XVI-
Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.
24 Apr 2005 - HOMILY OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI. St. Peter's Square ....
http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2012-0615-ferrara-vatileaks.htm
Malachi Martin testifies St John-Paul 2 tried to re-instate Latin Mass and largely hamstrung in the Vatican.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i5otFwkhF0
Maybe you need to find someone else to point your finger at ggreg, so you can make yourself feel superior. For indeed, that is what this hatred of the conciliar popes is about - pride.
Hence:
2 Thessalonians 2:10
"Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:"
The time will come!
Psalms 34:26
"Let them be clothed with confusion and shame, who speak great things against me."
And may Almighty God please let us see it when it happens, who are sick of your multiple offences!
Jude 1:8
In like manner these men ....... despise dominion, and blaspheme majesty.
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I thought this was supposed to be a CATHOLIC chat board! Where is the truth in this topic folks?
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Resolute said:
I thought this was supposed to be a CATHOLIC chat board! Where is the truth in this topic folks?
St John Paul 2 is a declared (ex cathedra) saint of the Church. I am upholding his sainthood against the many on CI who refuse it.
Since the honor we pay the saints is in a certain sense a profession of faith, i.e., a belief in the glory of the Saints we must piously believe that in this matter also the judgment of the Church is not liable to error." St Thomas
For if they refuse it, they defy the infallibility of the Pope in canonisations or his legitimacy, in opposition to the Holy Ghost:
Vatican 1: Session 4: 18 July 1870
On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs
"That which our Lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time.
For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood .
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The devils are pretending that JPII is effective against them in order to keep up the pretence that JPII is a saint.
Isn't it like those who said of Jesus, "He casts out demons by the Prince of Demons?"
Except that in this case it's most likely true.
Didn't Jesus say that those who say that those who accused him of casting out demons by the power of the Prince of Demons were commiting a sin which would not be forgiven?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i5otFwkhF0
Fr Malachi Martin affirms St John Paul 2 tried to restore the Latin Mass on equal parity with the NO.
Holy Fr Ruatolo endorses St John Paul 2
http://pelianito.stblogs.com/files/2010/08/Novena-of-surrender-to-the-will-of-God.pdf
God bless all!
You are nuts, that simple. Don't know how to put it to you, totally deluded individual.
"St. John Paul the Great" is no Saint, and definitely was an enemy of the faith. I acknowledge this as a fact, before I became a Sedevacantist and as a kid. Its no secret, you don't need people to demonstrate the obvious.
Reminds me of someone I was staying with 3 months, long story. Well anyways the pious lady, kept insisting to me that Wojtyla was a traditionalist and that it was the evil Cardinals preventing him from celebrating the true mass etc...
So then I printed, showed her videos of Wojtyla, read to her the excommunication of +Lefebvre word for word. Then accompanied that with some audio, and it is a FACT that he did excommunicate him. Anyone who denies this, needs to be checked to see if he is indeed capable of distinguishing reality from fiction.
Keep praying to that demon, you my friend are a schismatic and not a Catholic. You promote the new religion, by praying to that demon. Not only do you defend, the indefensible. Have the decency to be like the SSPX, and keep an agnostic position.
Malachi Martin, was a fraud and knew how to be able to say totally unsubstantiated things. I do not know the state of his soul, or if he repented. All I know is that he did lots of terrible things during Vatican II, generally kept people inside the Conciliar Church and simply I can go on forever. A good audio on him, that shows all the links, and evidence of what I am making claims is in Restoration Radio. He has a whole rap sheet behind him, I trust him and take everything he says with a grain of salt. Which by the way, I have read 5 of his books and I am talking about the thick ones. I have also listened to a great deal of his interviews, and have done my homework. So please do not accuse me of being rash, it took me years to form an opinion on this man. As I was unwilling to condemn him without being ABSOLUTELY sure, that he truly was indeed a fraud.
Those who disagree with me, well there is the proof. Its in the pudding, just listen to the sort of illogical stuff that he says leads to. Montini some sort of "prisoner", Wojtyla some crypto hero of the faith etc... While lets totally forget all the objective words/deeds/heresies the man produced.
General life advice, stick to the objective factual evidence and stay away from :tinfoil: people who advocate fairy stories.
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Poche said:
"Didn't Jesus say that those who say that those who accused him of casting out demons by the power of the Prince of Demons were commiting a sin which would not be forgiven?"
I think Poche you have not realised that the need of many traditionalists to be superior has superceded the law of Christ.
John 13:34
"A new commandment I give unto you: That you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love one another."
Apparently, slander or abuse are now acceptable; after which a rosary and a warm welcome by Jesus and Mary for the great ones.
Us wicked who accept the Holy Ghost's assurance at Vatican 1 that there is a permanent succession, must take the lower places, if indeed we are given a place at all!
St John's words were clearly only provisional:
1 John 4:20
"If any man say, I love God, and hateth his brother; he is a liar. For he that loveth not his brother, whom he seeth, how can he love God, whom he seeth not?"
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Go on keep pretending that Vatican I, means what you say when it is clear that the meaning is talking about the successors of Peter in the primacy.
The orthodox accept that St. Peter had universal jurisdiction, but they deny that his successors have it. That is all those who have not lost their office through heresy, will inherit the same jurisdiction that St. Peter had.
Vatican I Pastor Aeternus:
http://fisheaters.com/pastoraeternus.html
5. Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema.
Cardinal Manning, who was a great defender of these Petrine Dogma's. He wrote that the anti-Christ will be an anti-Pope. For it would be impossible for the succession of the anti-Christ and the near universal acceptance of him. If he is not prepared by the best servants of Lucifer, the current anti-Popes.
Father Kolbe had an interesting experience that left him marked for the rest of his life http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/KOLANTI.htm:
In Masonic demonstrations celebrating Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ's bicentenary, flags bearing an effigy of Lucifer were carried through the streets by demonstrators shouting: "The Devil shall rule in the Vatican and the Pope will be his lackey."
All this made a tremendous impression on the young Franciscan who realized the power of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and its anti-Christian presumptions. Yet, while he realized the danger Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ presented for the Catholic Church, he pitied the souls of the Freemasons, many of Jєωιѕн heritage, who, he believed, were in danger of eternal damnation.
All of these things were post-Vatican I, and there are several other's. Some of the reputable theologians who had not one ounce of liberalism/modernism in them, all of whose interpretations are directly opposed to yours. Your reading, is called proof-texting what you do is you read these things not according to the mind of the Church, but without any understanding.
The FSSP and many other in the indult use this canon of Vatican I, as their "final proof" that the sedevacantists are wrong. Yet, the error is so basic that it really fails the most basic test of reason, much less theology. The famous good/bad father argument is another famous one. You really need to quit being emotional about these things, and start doing your reading. For people continually have posted excellent material and your dishonesty, and insults to those who take the time to respond to you.
I could simply go and be enjoying my sweet time, eating good food, exercising, doing other things, rather then answering bad willed people like you that show no sort of intellectual honesty. That just simply copy/paste things with no understanding. As a simple thank you, for the favor of taking the time to make long posts. Read the material that people give you, or put it on your to do list. For these matters are truly life/death matters, because you are being deceived by false prophets and teachers. You are being warned, but you choose to simply totally ignore everything people write to you.
If you don't understand, or maybe post where you are confused. Anyone will be more then happy to help, but instead you just troll people with total random stuff. Your short responses, are riddled with logical fallacies. I am done with you, as I have more important things to read. If anyone else wants to pick it up , please do so. No sense of decency in some individuals, so many good people here that post and take off their sacred time of which no one will ever give you back, to try to answer your questions. It can be easily demonstrated that we have operated under true principles of charity, and the sort of demonic religion you preach is not a love for truth, but novelty. Know that when you stand before the Final Judge, my words and those who have warned you will condemn you. For there will be no defense to those who have been warned... You can go and pretend that everything is perfectly okay, but now the worm of doubt has been planted. If you do not seek the truth after this, you stand self-condemned.
The Conciliar anti-Popes != (logic notation, does not equal) friends of tradition.
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To Thomisticphilosopher:
Firstly, sedevacantism is made void simply as follows:
Vatican 1 - Infallible Council
Chapter 2. On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs
That which our Lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time .
For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood.
And the right to declare a Pope a heretic by private judgement is proscribed by Our Lord:
Matthew 18:15-17
"But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Thus, as long as the Pope is canonically elected, he has the Keys. Thus, all must be subject to him for salvation.
As regards the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre, this was clearly a mistake. However, this does not invalidate that St John Paul 2 ended his life in a state of sainthood. According to strict Church law, Archbishop Lefebvre should have been excommunicated, but the situation was extraordinary.
Much is opaque as regards the Vatican. You state with a misplaced confidence that Fr Malachi Martin was "a fraud". Yet his sagacity is plain to those who have understanding and even if it is true he was guilty of some misdemeanours in his early life, sins are not carried with a man who has repented. Are we to say of St Paul he was a wicked man at his death, because he persecuted the Church? Thus his testimony is not to be dismissed, and his statements suggest that there may be much we don't know that has occurred in the Vatican; as even Benedict 16 said to Bishop Fellay: "my authority ends at that door".
What we do know for sure, as proven above is that the conciliar Popes are valid and having made the promulgations of sainthood from the seat of Peter, we are bound to recognise them.
In your sedevacantist state - a punishment from God for your pride and elitism, it is hoped that you will humble yourself and fully subject your will to God's laws and then the Holy Ghost can give you full sight:
1 John 2:19-20
"They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us; but that they may be manifest, that they are not all of us. But you have the unction from the Holy One, and know all things."
And the reason you are deprived of the full unction of the Holy Ghost, can be seen in your outrageous behaviour like below, which is generally common to sedevacantists and those who hold the error of Fr Feeney:
To Me:
Keep praying to that demon
Regarding Fr Martin
As I was unwilling to condemn him without being ABSOLUTELY sure, that he truly was indeed a fraud.
Regarding St John Paul 2
"St. John Paul the Great" is no Saint, and definitely was an enemy of the faith.
Regarding Michael Voris
"St. John Paul the Great" is no Saint, and definitely was an enemy of the faith.
It is also noticeable that you all generally emphasise the intellect and knowledge and not love.
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Thomisticphilosopher states:
Go on keep pretending that Vatican I, means what you say when it is clear that the meaning is talking about the successors of Peter in the primacy.
Vatican 1 states:
Chapter 2. On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs
That which our Lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time .
For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood.
St Paul says:
1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to that doctrine which is according to godliness, He is proud, knowing nothing, but sick about questions and strifes of words; from which arise envies, contentions, blasphemies, evil suspicions, Conflicts of men corrupted in mind, and who are destitute of the truth,
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CORRECTION:
Regarding Michael Voris:
Michael Voris has without a doubt, demonstrated with his words in this video to be a liberal and the most pernicious enemy of the faith.
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No it is obvious you have no intellect, and no love.
Love is not sentimental, emotional, affective none of these things are the powers of the soul.
We know as the Church tells us, that the powers of the soul are the intellect and the will. It is solely through these means that we are capable of loving.
Summa II-II Q. 23 A. 6 http://www.dhspriory.org/thomas/english/summa/SS/SS023.html#SSQ23A6THEP1
Hence charity is more excellent than faith or hope, and, consequently, than all the other virtues, just as prudence, which by itself attains reason, is more excellent than the other moral virtues, which attain reason in so far as it appoints the mean in human operations or passions.
Summa II-II Q. 23 A. 7http://www.dhspriory.org/thomas/english/summa/SS/SS023.html#SSQ23A7THEP1
Whether any true virtue is possible without charity? ...Accordingly no strictly true virtue is possible without charity.
John 17:[17] Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. [18] As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. [19] And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
There is only true sanctity in the truth, and not heretical false opinions such as those you espouse. A man who committed more public acts of idolatry, that led to the detriment of the faith is to be worshiped and emulated by all Catholics. Okay, I don't know what sort of logic is that. How is that anywhere close to truth?
Interesting observation, as to what true frienship is according to St. Thomas.
Summa II-II Q. 23 A.1 http://www.dhspriory.org/thomas/english/summa/SS/SS023.html#SSQ23A1THEP1
Whether charity is friendship?
Yet neither does well-wishing suffice for friendship, for a certain mutual love is requisite, since friendship is between friend and friend: and this well-wishing is founded on some kind of communication.
...The love which is based on this communication, is charity: wherefore it is evident that charity is the friendship of man for God.
QUAESTIONES DISPUTATAE DE VIRTUTIBUS
Disputed Questions on the Virtues Question 1: On charity
http://www.dhspriory.org/thomas/english/QDdeVirtutibus2.htm#1
Article 1. Whether the Object to Be Loved Out of Charity Is a Rational Nature? I answer that...This difficulty being removed, it will follow, first, that the act of charity is an act of the will. Secondly, if it is granted that the act of the will can be entirely from an extrinsic principle, as acts of the hands or feet, it will also follow that if the act of charity is only from the movement of extrinsic principle, it cannot be meritorious.
Article 7. Whether the Object to Be Loved Out of Charity Is a Rational Nature? On the contrary, it is said (Levit. xix. 18), Love your neighbor as yourself. The Gloss is: Your neighbor is such not only by closeness of blood-relationship, but also by way of the fellowship of reason. Therefore, according as anything shares with us in the society of rational natures, so it is lovable out of charity. Therefore rational nature is the object of charity.
This really should put an end to your sentimentalists, affective understanding notions of charity you have. Hebrews 11:[6] But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him.
2 Thessalonians 2:10
And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:
Lastly, you can see the connection with holiness and truth. Which is what I have claimed since the start, and every post I have ever made.
Ephesians 4:24
And put on the new man, who according to God is created in justice and holiness of truth.
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CORRECTION:
Regarding Michael Voris:
Michael Voris has without a doubt, demonstrated with his words in this video to be a liberal and the most pernicious enemy of the faith.
If you are going to be cross posting of other topics, then go and respond in my original post. This is not proper etiquette, answer my original questions and refutations. You do what is commonly known as a red herring, please read this http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/red-herring/ .
It is a fallacy of distraction, and is committed when a listener attempts to divert an arguer from his argument by introducing another topic. This can be one of the most frustrating, and effective, fallacies to observe.
Anyone with any eyes to see that you are just a troll, and a bad willed heretic that defends the canonizations of the Conciliar Popes. Go and preach your new religion elsewhere, you have no love for truth. I am done for sure now.
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To Thomisticphilosopher:
You have not answered:
Firstly, sedevacantism is made void simply as follows:
Vatican 1 - Infallible Council
Chapter 2. On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs
That which our Lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time .
For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood.
And the right to declare a Pope a heretic by private judgement is proscribed by Our Lord:
Matthew 18:15-17
"But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Thus, as long as the Pope is canonically elected, he has the Keys. Thus, all must be subject to him for salvation.
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-Pope Benedict XVI-
Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.
24 Apr 2005 - HOMILY OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI. St. Peter's Square ....
Would the fact that Benedict has been succeeded by a pope whose authority obviously extends well beyond the aforementioned door (or rather, the door of the papal "hotel room"), and whose very effective work and words since his elevation to the papacy have been so singly focussed on attacking not only Catholic Tradition and those who adhere to it (the unjustly persecuted FFI and all those whom he has calumniously derided as "self-absorbed, promethean neo pelagians" and "rosary counters" - an especially unkind cut to those who offered a spiritual bouquet to him), but also Catholic Morality and the Natural Law itself (which the Church now has one year to "mature" into accepting, he threatens)... and that his work and words so boldly and openly undermine even the timid overtures toward Tradition that Benedict made...
Would these facts lead a reasonable person to conclude that Benedict, by abdicating, did in fact flee "for fear of the wolves"... and that one of those wolves - or at the very least the man most desired by the wolves - has now assumed the place and duties of the Shepherd?
If not, then how do you construe the quotation of the "Pope Emeritus" cited above by you? If it exculpates Benedict of his powerlessness, does it not also, by that very fact, incriminate his successor for the scandals and outrages he has repeatedly caused in his short pontificate?
If ordered to do so next year, will you willingly and docilely "welcome" those who commit the Sin Against Nature that Cries to Heaven for Vengeance, and "value and accept" their inclination to that selfsame Sin of Sodom?
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Fr. Amorth is 86 years old.
He was ordained in 1954.
Yet, despite his monumental credentials and
successes fighting for righteousness, and his
two books (which I'm sure nobody in this thread
has ever read), the only reaction by posters
is "thumbs-down", and bitter curmudgeonry
backed by ignorance.
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Fr. Amorth is 86 years old.
He was ordained in 1954.
Yet, despite his monumental credentials and
successes fighting for righteousness, and his
two books (which I'm sure nobody in this thread
has ever read), the only reaction by posters
is "thumbs-down", and bitter curmudgeonry
backed by ignorance.
He lauded Medjugorje as a "fortress against Satan. No matter how redoubtable one's credentials are, a patently absurd statement like that is bound to harm one's credibility.
I thought your name and avater looked familiar, Snowball. I recall when you posted the following:
On Feb 15, 2013:
I disagree with Pope Francis. A ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, even if not practicing the act,
cannot be imbued thoroughly with the Holy Ghost, otherwise he would not
be a "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ". Period. The media is misconstruing the Pope's words,
but the fact is that the Pope's words are not holy, in my understanding of holy and
the origin of the priesthood and discipleship of Jesus Christ, and all that entails.
I am very uncomfortable with being a so-called "Catholic" today.
So much so that I may be saying goodbye to this Church, and quite frankly
I am worried about St. Malachy prophecy.. I feel very uncomfortable.
I live in Rhode Island, there are no resistance Masses in my state, although
there are a couple of Latin Masses, I would not feel comfortable going, they
would pray for "Pope Francis", "Our Pope".. so I would have to travel .. or,
St. Ann's Parish in my town has closed (because it was a French church, with the Italian church right next door).. so it's not RCC
anymore, it's Melkite Greek Catholic. However, they are in communion with the "Holy See", which I cannot accept. Alternatively, there is another large new
church near me, St. Mary and Mena Coptic Orthodox.
there is also a St. Patrick's Catholic church (not really catholic), which is even more liberal than the RCC.
I need to think about the Coptic or Orthodox (non-Melkite) Greek. I believe their Apostolic succession is as valid as RCC, predating the Great Schism. There is
a centuries-old Greek Orthodox church near me also.
Then, on July 30, 2013:
From what the TV and media is saying to the masses today, pope changed the stance on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. LGBT people are "happy" at this move in the "right" direction.
I thought this pope was supposed to clean up the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lobby mess, not help it.
So did I.. and he actually says he still is trying to clean up the "lobby",
but at the same time says this ? It is wrong. We know it is. My last straw.
Told all my family, I am done. Period. Going Resistance or Orthodox, done
with this.. let the Vatican have their party, I won't attend. I do not trust
the men of the Roman Catholic priesthood.
And on August 1, 2013:
I have decided to remain Roman Catholic.. barely.
I know Pope Francis is a maga liberal who we have to watch out for.
Benedict said and wrote that true ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs should not become priests.
My faith is unshakeable, but concerning this church, I wane .........
So last year, only three or four months into Francis' pontificate you were so confused with (justifable) outrage and scandal that you vacillated between Sedevacantism and open flirting with the idea of apostatizing to the schismatic eastern "orthodox"... and all over what, at that time, really amounted to no more than some (admittedly scandalous and outrageous) "off the cuff remarks."
And now, a year later, with actual material harm being done to the Church by this pope in an official capacity (the persecution of the FFI, the demotion of Cardinal Burke and subsequent elevation of an arch-heretic like Kaspar, and, most horrific of all, the Sin-Odd on the Family which came within a hair's breadth of codifying approval of divorce and remarriage and "accepting and valuing" the Sin of Sodom - and whose sequel next year may succeed where this one failed), you resurface with aggressive neocath party line toeing rhetoric and a spate of churlish rebukes against those justly scandalized by scandal, but who at least are not flirting with the idea of joining the eastern schismatics as you did just last year with far less scandalous provokation.
So what gives? Whence came this about face, and the unjustly imperious tone you've taken with fellow Catholics whose "bitter curmudgeonry
backed by ignorance" does not hold a candle to your own flirtations with apostasy?
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BTYYC said:
"If ordered to do so next year, will you willingly and docilely "welcome" those who commit the Sin Against Nature that Cries to Heaven for Vengeance, and "value and accept" their inclination to that selfsame Sin of Sodom? "
God will not permit a canonically elected Pope to proclaim error ex-cathedra. Just trust in Him!
The looseness of Pope Francis is a reflection of the state of the current membership of the Catholic church - the Pope that is deserved.
He is still the Pope though.
Difficult in other times too:
Pope Leo X who apparently sold indulgences to raise funds;
Stephen VI who, out of hatred, dragged his predecessor’s corpse through city streets; Alexander VI who appointed family members to power while fathering four children. Benedict IX who actually sold his papacy;
Clement V who imposed high taxes and openly gave land to supporters and family members;
Sergius III who ordered the death of anti-pope Christopher (and then took the papacy himself) only to, allegedly, father a child who would become Pope John XI.
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Didn't John Paul II say that he has respect for other religions?
If other religions deny Our Lord Jesus Christ, then they endanger souls.
So, why does John Paul II think showing respect for other religions is a good thing?
People ensnared in false faiths need to be evangelized, as in, having the Gospel of Our Lord explained to them.
As for what demons say in exorcisms, well, aren't demons followers of the Father of Lies? The Father of Lies is a deceiver.
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To CaptMcQuigg,
In response to:
As for what demons say in exorcisms, well, aren't demons followers of the Father of Lies? The Father of Lies is a deceiver.
True devotion to Mary - St Father Montfort
"One is recorded in the chronicles of St. Francis. The saint saw in ecstasy an immense ladder reaching to heaven, at the top of which stood the Blessed Virgin. This is the ladder, he was told, by which we must all go to heaven.
Here is another related in the Chronicles of St. Dominic. Near Carcassonne, where St. Dominic was preaching the Rosary, there was an unfortunate heretic who was possessed by a multitude of devils. These evil spirits to their confusion were compelled at the command of our Lady to confess many great and consoling truths concerning devotion to her. They did this so clearly and forcibly that, however weak our devotion to our Lady may be, we cannot read this authentic story containing such an unwilling tribute paid by the devils to devotion to our Lady without shedding tears of joy.
Moreover, God has given Mary such great power over the evil spirits that, as they have often been forced unwillingly to admit through the lips of possessed persons, they fear one of her pleadings for a soul more than the prayers of all the saints, and one of her threats more than all their other torments."
Moreover:
"The prophets of the demons do not always speak from the demons' revelation, but sometimes by Divine inspiration. This was evidently the case with Balaam, of whom we read that the Lord spoke to him (Numbers 22:12), though he was a prophet of the demons, because God makes use even of the wicked for the profit of the good. Hence He foretells certain truths even by the demons' prophets, both that the truth may be rendered more credible, Wherefore also the Sibyls foretold many true things about Christ.
Yet even when the demons' prophets are instructed by the demons, they foretell the truth, sometimes by virtue of their own nature, the author of which is the Holy Ghost, and sometimes by revelation of the good spirits, as Augustine declares (Gen. ad lit. xii, 19): so that even then this truth which the demons proclaim is from the Holy Ghost." St Thomas - Summa Theologica
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3172.htm#article5
(Article 6 - reply objection 1)
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BTYYC said:
"If ordered to do so next year, will you willingly and docilely "welcome" those who commit the Sin Against Nature that Cries to Heaven for Vengeance, and "value and accept" their inclination to that selfsame Sin of Sodom? "
God will not permit a canonically elected Pope to proclaim error ex-cathedra. Just trust in Him!
The looseness of Pope Francis is a reflection of the state of the current membership of the Catholic church - the Pope that is deserved.
He is still the Pope though.
Difficult in other times too:
Pope Leo X who apparently sold indulgences to raise funds;
Stephen VI who, out of hatred, dragged his predecessor’s corpse through city streets; Alexander VI who appointed family members to power while fathering four children. Benedict IX who actually sold his papacy;
Clement V who imposed high taxes and openly gave land to supporters and family members;
Sergius III who ordered the death of anti-pope Christopher (and then took the papacy himself) only to, allegedly, father a child who would become Pope John XI.
You do know that Leo X anathematized Luther and his errors, one of them the claim that indulgences "were sold." This has already been refuted in some other canon's I have posted elsewhere.
You really are a Protestant, I am no convinced of it.
You confuse peccability, with heresy. Please for the Love of Our Lord Jesus Christ, pay attention. Ask for understanding, get a teacher, if you can't read then learn. No one will hate for you it, but please quit talking about topics you have no idea about. I can tell you have probably never read a history of the Church book in your life, all you do is you read a little sip bit article here and there, and call it "research." What is amazing too, besides is you don't give any sources for your claims. You shouldn't even be giving sources with this topic, but EVEN then if you are making outrageous claims, back them up.
This is why Protestants are so ignorant, that is what they do is they spread prejudice and historical lies.
Do you know what the Roman Maxim which was repeated at Vatican I says?
The See of Peter is judged by no ONE.
That means that any Catholic who attempts to cast judgment on the personal life/sins of the Pope, is sinning gravely against God (mortal sin). Which is something that doesn't seem to trouble you at all, you just spew pure hatred for the Papacy, chances are you are not even a Conciliar Catholic, but just a good ol' traditional heretic. For it is GOD alone who judges the Pope who has no superior on earth. It is only acts of heresy, that enable a Catholic to be able to form a judgment. For if a Catholic could not form this judgment not even ecclesiastical judges can do such a thing. This is what you fail to see, you keep railing against SV"ist "judgding the Pope" and yet you are filled with the worst hypocrisy I have ever seen. At least other Conciliar defender's of the deeds of the Anti-Popes are consistent and follow the quoted Roman Maxim above. We are way past the point "of suspect of heresy", we are light years ahead of that train. Canonically speaking just one act of communicatio in sacris, puts you on the suspect of heresy list, just once. If repeated again, it merits investigation, after that point its ipso facto we are talking about legally here. Spiritually, the death of the soul happens the first time, but the Church is a visible and external society therefore it has to be extremely patient and cautious when excommunicating someone by name, because that usually meant you would be burnt at the stake.
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Didn't John Paul II say that he has respect for other religions?
If other religions deny Our Lord Jesus Christ, then they endanger souls.
So, why does John Paul II think showing respect for other religions is a good thing?
People ensnared in false faiths need to be evangelized, as in, having the Gospel of Our Lord explained to them.
As for what demons say in exorcisms, well, aren't demons followers of the Father of Lies? The Father of Lies is a deceiver.
When John Paul II said that he had respect for other religions it did not mean that he accepted their false ideas and their denial of Christ. What is does mean is that in all of the religions there is some kernal of truth within. It is from this kernal of truth that we use to build upon in the evangelization of all the people. For example, Islam says that they believe in one God. We believe in one God too. The idea is to use this common understanding of monotheism to build upon in bringing the Gospel to places where it has never been heard.
It is not showing respect to other religioins that is a good thing. It si in showing respect to other people. The idea is that in showing respect to other people we create an environment where we can better preach the Gospel to all nations.
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Dear Poche,
I am afraid your common-sense is rather out-moded these days. It does not have sufficient "intellectual" content and by submitting to it, the opportunity to criticise and find fault with anyone you don't agree with is gone.
Mark 3:2
"And they watched him whether he would heal on the sabbath days; that they might accuse him."
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Didn't John Paul II say that he has respect for other religions?
If other religions deny Our Lord Jesus Christ, then they endanger souls.
So, why does John Paul II think showing respect for other religions is a good thing?
People ensnared in false faiths need to be evangelized, as in, having the Gospel of Our Lord explained to them.
As for what demons say in exorcisms, well, aren't demons followers of the Father of Lies? The Father of Lies is a deceiver.
When John Paul II said that he had respect for other religions it did not mean that he accepted their false ideas and their denial of Christ. What is does mean is that in all of the religions there is some kernal of truth within. It is from this kernal of truth that we use to build upon in the evangelization of all the people. For example, Islam says that they believe in one God. We believe in one God too. The idea is to use this common understanding of monotheism to build upon in bringing the Gospel to places where it has never been heard.
It is not showing respect to other religioins that is a good thing. It si in showing respect to other people. The idea is that in showing respect to other people we create an environment where we can better preach the Gospel to all nations.
"Proselytizing is solemn nonsense."
--The un-Holy Father
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P.S Poche
You also said:
"The idea is that in showing respect to other people we create an environment where we can better preach the Gospel to all nations."
Now, surely when St John Paul 2 went to Assisi, he was willfully encouraging ecuмenism/worship of false gods/a one world church? How could you come up with an idea like this?
Therefore, one can only conclude that you also are an apostate/manifest heretic/worshipper of idols/satan's servant/a freemason/a most pernicious individual*
(*circle to preference)
I'm sorry to condemn you dear Poche, but that is the way it is these days. You really need to get with it.
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Did he say that sometimes he has to use the traditional Rite of Exorcism?
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Didn't John Paul II say that he has respect for other religions?
If other religions deny Our Lord Jesus Christ, then they endanger souls.
So, why does John Paul II think showing respect for other religions is a good thing?
People ensnared in false faiths need to be evangelized, as in, having the Gospel of Our Lord explained to them.
As for what demons say in exorcisms, well, aren't demons followers of the Father of Lies? The Father of Lies is a deceiver.
When John Paul II said that he had respect for other religions it did not mean that he accepted their false ideas and their denial of Christ. What is does mean is that in all of the religions there is some kernal of truth within. It is from this kernal of truth that we use to build upon in the evangelization of all the people. For example, Islam says that they believe in one God. We believe in one God too. The idea is to use this common understanding of monotheism to build upon in bringing the Gospel to places where it has never been heard.
It is not showing respect to other religioins that is a good thing. It si in showing respect to other people. The idea is that in showing respect to other people we create an environment where we can better preach the Gospel to all nations.
Poche,
Baseball cards are traded in that manner.
Our Lord did say that the god of the gentiles are devils. Fasle religions are a deception. Non-Catholic religions are a deception.
If Pope John Paul II said that he respects people who have found themselves ensnared in darkness and lovingly reaches out to them to correct their ways, I would be in agreement with that. Did he say that anywhere? If so, please show me.
Poche, I get the point YOU are trying to make but I can't say with any certainty that Pope John Paul II had your intentions as his intentions.
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CaptMcquigg said:
"Poche, I get the point YOU are trying to make but I can't say with any certainty that Pope John Paul II had your intentions as his intentions. "
AND NEITHER CAN YOU SAY HE DIDN'T!
So we should hold our peace and surmise nothing.
However, personally I have no doubt that St John Paul 2 was a satanist. I mean... you can tell from his face:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pictures+of+pope+john+paul+2&client=firefox-a&hs=H9u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=kjtRVPLqLcqN7AbnmYGADw&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=631
....especially the picture where he rounds his fingers over his eyes - probably in the shape of illuminati pyramids. Or maybe he was just having fun and making others laugh - but most probably he was communicating a freemasonic sign to someone in the crowd that the lodge meeting has been postponed until next Tuesday.
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To Pelly:
See:
http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/sv/perspective377.asp
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CaptMcquigg said:
"Poche, I get the point YOU are trying to make but I can't say with any certainty that Pope John Paul II had your intentions as his intentions. "
AND NEITHER CAN YOU SAY HE DIDN'T!
So we should hold our peace and surmise nothing.
However, personally I have no doubt that St John Paul 2 was a satanist. I mean... you can tell from his face:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pictures+of+pope+john+paul+2&client=firefox-a&hs=H9u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=kjtRVPLqLcqN7AbnmYGADw&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=631
....especially the picture where he rounds his fingers over his eyes - probably in the shape of illuminati pyramids. Or maybe he was just having fun and making others laugh - but most probably he was communicating a freemasonic sign to someone in the crowd that the lodge meeting has been postponed until next Tuesday.
We can only read the pope's words and he said that he views other religions with respect. And he even stated that the goal is for the One True Faith of Catholicism to work as if on the same team with false religions for a masonic goal of "peace". Peace sounds good but how would a devout person make a pledge to join side by side with a person who reviles and spits at the name of Our Lord?
Peace, and the illusions and false promises of peace, are usually used as a cover by people who have a hidden goal of placing the boot firmly atop the throat of man.
Perhaps, when what is hidden is made known, everyone of good faith will realize that Pope John Paul II was doing the best he could in the conditions he found himself in but that is for Our Lord to reveal and not for us to guess. We can only assess his actual words and those words word are there to read and they are not hidden.
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To Capt McQuigg
St Ignatiuas Loyola said:
"Make yourselves loved by your humility and charity, becoming all things to all men. Show that you conform, as far as the Institute of the Society permits, to the customs of the people there. Be prepared to teach matters of faith and morals in a way that is accommodated to those people… Without taking away from them anything in which they are particularly interested or which they especially value, try to get them to accept the truths of Catholicism." Later, he adds: "Although you are ever intent on bringing them to conformity with the Catholic Church, do everything gently, without any violence to souls long accustomed to another way of life.’" - Advice to Jesuit Missionaries
As opposed to the style of the armchair pharisees on this site:
John 9:34
"They answered, and said to him: Thou wast wholly born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out."
Always give the benefit of the doubt and use your common-sense; don't be influenced by the poison of these people:
Matthew 16:6
"Who said to them: Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
The church has declared John Paul 2 a saint. God has given HIS judgement.
God bless!