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Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
« on: March 09, 2025, 09:53:34 PM »
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  • I was looking to see what it would take to get access to the Vatican Archives, and found this very curious and arbitrary cutoff date.

    https://www.archivioapostolicovaticano.va/content/aav/en/consultazione/accesso-e-consultazione.html



    Why do they have such a strangely arbitrary cutoff date where you can't access anything after the death of Pius XII.  Why not throw in a couple years for the Roncalli era?  How about Montini?

    There's no reason for such an arbitrary cutoff unless they're trying to hide something.  If there's a # of years, what is that number, eh?  Pius XII died 67 years ago, and Roncalli 62 years ago.  So is there some arbitrary 65-year threshold?  Does that mean Roncalli's docuмents will be released in 2028?  I doubt it.  65 seems like an odd cutoff time and it it were just a year, how about the first 2 years of the Roncalli era, since those would be past the 65-year threshold.

    1000% that they're hiding something they do not want to get out.

    Is it related to where Roncalli, after the Conclave that allegedly "elected" him, called a secret meeting where Tisserant excommunicated a couple of Cardinals who left thinking it was over?

    There's probably a mountain of Epstein-quality dirt on Roncalli (Communist Agent / Mason), Montini (Communist Agent, Mason, Jew, sodomite), Wojtyla (Communist Agent, Jew) ... that would certainly at the very least tarnish this new "Springtime of the Church" and the sanctity of these New-Saints.

    I believe that there are many clues in there about how they infiltrated the papal office and replaced Siri, among many other things.

    I believe that the future Holy Pope will use the docuмents in the Archive to demonstrate the illegitimacy of the Conciliar papal claimants after the death of Pope Pius XII and to declare the entire time period null and void.  I kept thinking that the key was in the Paul Williams FBI docuмent that appears to have now been disappeared, but this made me realize that it's probably nothing compared to what might be floating around in the Vatican Archives.

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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #1 on: March 10, 2025, 08:11:23 AM »
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  • Jesus wouldn’t be allowed to have access to Vatican docuмents.  That’s a red flag there.  Jesus never had a university degree.  

    After reading about St Augustine most places of higher learning was always liberal and anti Christian. 

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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #2 on: March 10, 2025, 08:40:40 AM »
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  • I was looking to see what it would take to get access to the Vatican Archives, and found this very curious and arbitrary cutoff date.

    https://www.archivioapostolicovaticano.va/content/aav/en/consultazione/accesso-e-consultazione.html



    Why do they have such a strangely arbitrary cutoff date where you can't access anything after the death of Pius XII.  Why not throw in a couple years for the Roncalli era?  How about Montini?

    There's no reason for such an arbitrary cutoff unless they're trying to hide something.  If there's a # of years, what is that number, eh?  Pius XII died 67 years ago, and Roncalli 62 years ago.  So is there some arbitrary 65-year threshold?  Does that mean Roncalli's docuмents will be released in 2028?  I doubt it.  65 seems like an odd cutoff time and it it were just a year, how about the first 2 years of the Roncalli era, since those would be past the 65-year threshold.

    1000% that they're hiding something they do not want to get out.

    Is it related to where Roncalli, after the Conclave that allegedly "elected" him, called a secret meeting where Tisserant excommunicated a couple of Cardinals who left thinking it was over?

    There's probably a mountain of Epstein-quality dirt on Roncalli (Communist Agent / Mason), Montini (Communist Agent, Mason, Jew, sodomite), Wojtyla (Communist Agent, Jew) ... that would certainly at the very least tarnish this new "Springtime of the Church" and the sanctity of these New-Saints.

    I believe that there are many clues in there about how they infiltrated the papal office and replaced Siri, among many other things.

    I believe that the future Holy Pope will use the docuмents in the Archive to demonstrate the illegitimacy of the Conciliar papal claimants after the death of Pope Pius XII and to declare the entire time period null and void.  I kept thinking that the key was in the Paul Williams FBI docuмent that appears to have now been disappeared, but this made me realize that it's probably nothing compared to what might be floating around in the Vatican Archives.
    These are interesting thoughts. I hope alive when truth prevails.
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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #3 on: March 10, 2025, 09:14:39 AM »
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  • Yeah, I can think of no legitimate normal reason why you'd arbitrarily limit access to the Vatican Archives docuмents to the death of Pius XII (aka the end of his papacy).  Roncalli's regime was over 60 years ago now, and even Montini is relatively distant past.

    They're clearly hiding something.

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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #4 on: March 10, 2025, 09:42:35 AM »
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  • Here is a telegram from US envoy Zellerbach to Washington headquarters discussing the conclave situation:

    http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2021/11/us-friendly-contact-within-vatican.html




    And posted recently on another thread, but relevant to this one. Read the docuмents available on the US government websites to see the kind of interest and involvement the USA had in Roncalli's election.


    https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuмents/frus1958-60v07p2/ch8

    Especially, read this one from that list to understand their ultimate goals:

    https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuмents/frus1958-60v07p2/d390

    390. Memorandum of Conference With President Eisenhower
    Rome, December 6, 1959.
    OTHER PRESENT


    • The Pope
    • Cardinal Tardini
    • Msgr. Samore
    • Lt. Col. Vernon Walters
    The President said how pleased and honored he was to have this opportunity to meet the Pope during his visit. He had undertaken this trip to a part of the free world which was extremely important.

    He did not expect any new treaties or agreements to result from his trip but if anything could be done to advance the cause of peace, he would feel that it had been worthwhile. As he approached the end of his term as President, he felt that his efforts, which earlier might have been thought by some to be politically inspired, might now perhaps be more effective.

    He was also visiting a number of countries in the Middle East which needed “shoring up.”1 The only desire of the American people was for peace and friendship in liberty. He felt that freedom could exist only where there was respect for the spiritual values and a belief in Almighty God. This had always been the basis of our government. In fact in our Declaration of Independence it was stated that “All men are created equal and endowed by their creator....”2 If this is not accepted, then all that is left are material things. If a man is only an intelligent mule and can be dominated by force, then why not do it. This has never been the belief of the American people.

    The Pope then said that he was very happy to see the President again. He quite agreed with what the President had said about peace and justice. This was the teaching of the gospel and this was what the Church sought to do. The American people had always shown their great respect for spiritual values.

    The President said that free government must be based on belief in an Almighty Creator. Several of the countries he was about to visit were [Page 885]Moslem countries and, consequently, shared with us a common belief in God. He hoped this would help him in the message he was carrying. Peace was essential. We just could not afford to have a war with the tremendous weapons of destruction which now exist.

    Peoples all over the world know that they do not have to live in poverty, hunger, and disease and their urgent desire for a better lot was one of the great problems of our time. We wanted to do everything that we could to assist them towards this better life. He was convinced that the Pope himself and the Papacy were two of the greatest spiritual forces in the world.

    The Pope smilingly upheld that he could not do much in the way of a military contribution but that there were some spiritual forces and energies that he could mobilize around the world to support these noble aims. He said that he had always had great respect for the President before but that now that he knew what was in the President’s heart and what his purposes were, his respect was even greater than before. He only regretted his inability to speak English and he was endeavoring to correct this by taking English lessons. Recently, there had been celebrated the 100th anniversary of the foundation of the North American College and more than 70 American bishops had attended together with large numbers of priests and laity and he had been deeply impressed by them. He prayed that God would bless the great American people. He knew that Americans not only had a high standard of living and great technical skills but were also a people of deep faith and high spiritual values.

    ...



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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #5 on: March 10, 2025, 10:23:25 AM »
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  • Here is a telegram from US envoy Zellerbach to Washington headquarters discussing the conclave situation:

    http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2021/11/us-friendly-contact-within-vatican.html

    Sure.  I had this docuмent in my hands at the National Archives when I went looking.  Paul Williams refers to another one, which has been disappeared and likely re-classified after someone undoubtedly de-classified it by mistake not realizing the importance of it.

    Given that it has been disappeared again, I was focused on that and failed to realize that there's probably much more in the Vatican Archives themselves, independent of whatever mole/spy the US had in the Conclave.

    But I bet that there's a lot of dirty stuff tied to Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, Ratzinger, and Bergoglio in them thar Archives that they're deliberately keeping hidden with no other obvious motive.

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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #6 on: March 10, 2025, 10:26:53 AM »
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  • I bet that there's a lot of dirty stuff tied to Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, Ratzinger, and Bergoglio in them thar Archives that they're deliberately keeping hidden with no other obvious motive.
    Really?! Do ya think so?! :facepalm:
    Thank you, Captain Obvious

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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #7 on: March 10, 2025, 10:40:17 AM »
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  • I can just imagine that the super sensitive docuмents were simply shredded. Who decides what to destroy? Nowadays it's more of a challenge - Faithbook, cell phone data, X,  somewhere in the heaven knows where?
    But then Hillary knows how.
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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #8 on: March 10, 2025, 11:12:41 AM »
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  • Really?! Do ya think so?! :facepalm:
    Thank you, Captain Obvious

    So, you insufferable moron, the point (which you appear to be too much of an imbecile to pick up on) is that here's an indication on their own website prohibiting access post Pius XII and an attempt on my part to question whether there may be other rational explanations for it OTHER than that they have a lot of dirt in there that they're trying to hide ... e.g. that they have a criterion where they exclude that last 2-3 popes, or whether there's a year cutoff.  If there's a year cutoff and a # of popes cutoff, they appear strangely arbitrary.  So the point of the last comments were an attempt to rule out other plausible explanations fro why that particulat cutoff.

    Perhaps you need a brush-up on your reading comprehension skills.

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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #9 on: March 10, 2025, 11:15:36 AM »
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  • I can just imagine that the super sensitive docuмents were simply shredded. Who decides what to destroy? Nowadays it's more of a challenge - Faithbook, cell phone data, X,  somewhere in the heaven knows where?
    But then Hillary knows how.

    Yeah, so that's the other consideration (someone here who understands the point of the thread unlike htat IndultCat moron).  Wouldn't they have shredded or otherwise eliminated the truly incriminating docuмents?  Perhaps (and very likely) the most egregious ones have been elmiinated, and yet there may be clues or other hints that slipped through the cracks given the undoubtedly huge volumes of material that likely gets into the Archives.  So I doubt they had the resources to go through every word of it in detail to see what they had to eliminate.  Perhaps they're in the process of doing it right now ... and given the volumes it's taking quite a bit of time.

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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #10 on: March 10, 2025, 11:22:34 AM »
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  • Not sure if this is the same Paul Williams? Timestamp : :  20.00
    See eye eh supporting Pope 
    Pius XII. VATICAN Bank etc.. 

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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
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  • Not sure if this is the same Paul Williams? Timestamp : :  20.00
    See eye eh supporting Pope
    Pius XII. VATICAN Bank etc..

    Guests:
    outube.com/watch?v=w06uX0rXuPg

    m.you

    Yes, one must understand that the CIA is basically Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ/Illuminati, controlled specifically by the Yale Skull and Bones fraternity. The real bad actors, humanly speaking, are these Freemasons (and other aligned groups that go by different names). Of course, Satan is the real force behind the human Freemasonic actors, as the Leo XIII prophecy reveals.

    Paul Williams' description is part of the Freemasonic execution the plan sketched out in the Pike-Mazzini Letter from 1871, the ultimate goal of which is to destroy the Roman Catholic Church and install the New Order of the Ages (Novus Ordo Seclorum): which includes both the One World political order and the One World religion based on the principles of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

    Getting a foothold in the Vatican Bank in the 1940s combined with the Freemasonic infiltration of the Curia in the early 20th century were the two pillars of their strategy to control the Vatican and destroy Roman Catholicism. They finally achieved the penultimate goal of installing "the destroyer" (St. Francis of Assisi prophecy) to the papacy, using the temporary shut down of the Vatican Bank in 2013 and Benedict XVI's forced "retirement." Bergoglio is the "destroyer," the Antichrist.

    The rest is history. It all started with the Vatican shifting its concerns from heavenly matters to being a broker of world peace after the destruction of Europe in WWI. This new peace-keeping obsession required that the Holy See become a respected player in international affairs (which was controlled by the Freemasons). The formal beginning of this Vatican shift occurred with the Lateran Treaty in 1929. The Vatican Bank shenanigans were next act in the play after WWII. The election of Roncalli was next and so on. The Vatican Secretariat of State, not the various Popes, was the prime mover in all of these things.

    My point is that this situation is much bigger than an internal disagreement among liberals and traditionalists in the Roman Catholic Church that came into clear focus after 1958. Yes, taking over and gutting the faith, morals and liturgy of the Church has always been the key to the whole Freemasonic plan, but the sequence of events end inevitably in the Apocalypse. There is no man-made restoration coming for the Church, as some Trads seem to believe.

    Only Jesus and his Mother can save us. But, don't worry, if you keep the Faith, you will be saved. Watch and pray. The Warning will come soon.

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    For reference, here are the excerpts from the Pike-Mazzini letter.

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    Giuseppe Mazzini was an Italian revolutionary leader of the mid 1800s as well as the Director of the Illuminati. Albert Pike (historical Masonic figure) is a 33rd degree, Freemason Occultist Grand Master and creator of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Masonic Scottish Rite Order.

    Following are extracts from the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.

    "The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

    "The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that nαzιsm is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

    "The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

    Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

    Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

    This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."






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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #12 on: March 10, 2025, 01:53:03 PM »
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  • I was looking to see what it would take to get access to the Vatican Archives, and found this very curious and arbitrary cutoff date.

    https://www.archivioapostolicovaticano.va/content/aav/en/consultazione/accesso-e-consultazione.html



    Why do they have such a strangely arbitrary cutoff date where you can't access anything after the death of Pius XII.  Why not throw in a couple years for the Roncalli era?  How about Montini?

    There's no reason for such an arbitrary cutoff unless they're trying to hide something.  If there's a # of years, what is that number, eh?  Pius XII died 67 years ago, and Roncalli 62 years ago.  So is there some arbitrary 65-year threshold?  Does that mean Roncalli's docuмents will be released in 2028?  I doubt it.  65 seems like an odd cutoff time and it it were just a year, how about the first 2 years of the Roncalli era, since those would be past the 65-year threshold.

    1000% that they're hiding something they do not want to get out.

    Is it related to where Roncalli, after the Conclave that allegedly "elected" him, called a secret meeting where Tisserant excommunicated a couple of Cardinals who left thinking it was over?

    There's probably a mountain of Epstein-quality dirt on Roncalli (Communist Agent / Mason), Montini (Communist Agent, Mason, Jew, sodomite), Wojtyla (Communist Agent, Jew) ... that would certainly at the very least tarnish this new "Springtime of the Church" and the sanctity of these New-Saints.

    I believe that there are many clues in there about how they infiltrated the papal office and replaced Siri, among many other things.

    I believe that the future Holy Pope will use the docuмents in the Archive to demonstrate the illegitimacy of the Conciliar papal claimants after the death of Pope Pius XII and to declare the entire time period null and void.  I kept thinking that the key was in the Paul Williams FBI docuмent that appears to have now been disappeared, but this made me realize that it's probably nothing compared to what might be floating around in the Vatican Archives.
    The normal cut-off date for archives is 75 or 80 years to ensure that everyone affected by any research is already deceased.

    This is standard. I dealt with it all the time in another place, in another century when my station in life had me doing frequent research.
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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
    « Reply #13 on: March 10, 2025, 02:07:13 PM »
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  • I heard years ago, I can't remember when, that the Jews wanted the archives of Rome opened sooner than usual. Hm?  But I do thank you for posting this docuмent!  A real interest. Jews,should we be surprised?!

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    Re: Research in Vatican Archives - What are they hiding?
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  • they have a lot of dirt in there that they're trying to hide.
    Well hasn't this "always" been the case with the Church?