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Offline Yeti

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Re: The TIA 3rd Secret of Fatima
« Reply #105 on: March 08, 2025, 01:35:21 PM »
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  • Yeti, you seem to be looking for a Third Secret that will tell you "literally" what will happen in the "end times."

    Each end times prophecy, Biblical or private revelation, will have some elements that are literal, mixed up with elements that are figurative. The challenge is to determine which is which. It is not a perfect science and depends more on prayer and humility than science anyway.
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    Oh, I think I see the problem here. I don't know of any indication that the third secret is a prophecy of the end times. I'm not aware that Our Lady or any of the seers said this. Why do you think it is?






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    Do you deny that there will be a supernatural intervention that separates our current era from the new era? As St. Augustine explains, in our current era, the Church is a mixed society (containing both true Christians and bad). But in the coming era, the "era of peace," the Church will only contain the good Christians and these Christians will be "immortal." That is not a description of our current world. In our current world, all men are mortal. Therefore, the new era will be something completely different from what we now know. Do you deny this?



    The Faith teaches that the world will last until Christ comes again at the end of the world to judge the living and the dead. That will be the last judgment. After that, every human being will be either in heaven or in hell. The Church Militant and Church Suffering will no longer exist; only the Church Triumphant. That state will last for all eternity. Most of this is Catholic dogma. The statement of St. Augustine is referring to the state of eternity after the end of the world and the last judgment. The supernatural intervention that you mention is the second coming of Christ, the end of the world, the general resurrection, and the last judgment.

    I'm not sure what you're describing here, and it doesn't seem to match this all that well. 


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    If you don't deny that the new era will be something completely different, then why do you worry about the Church's geographical headquarters? It is irrelevant.

    Rome will not be the headquarters of the Church after the end of the world because the Church Militant will not exist any longer, and probably Rome itself will not exist either. My concern is that it seems to violate the canons of Vatican I, Trent, and other councils to say that Rome will cease to be the head of the Church before the end of the world. It is defined that the Roman pontiff is the successor of St. Peter and the head of the Church. Theologians have said this must mean that the holy see cannot be moved to any other diocese apart from Rome, since then the bishop of that other diocese, and not the Roman pontiff, would be the head of the Church.

    But the text of this third secret says that the authority of the Church will be moved to Fatima, that the tomb of St. Peter will be moved to Fatima, that the cathedral of the pope (the headquarters of the pope as bishop of Rome) must be destroyed and replaced with one in Fatima. It also holds out the possibility that Rome itself, as a city, will be destroyed, which is something theologians have rejected as impossible for the same reasons, namely that there cannot be a bishop of Rome, i.e. a pope, if the city of Rome does not exist.

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    Re: The TIA 3rd Secret of Fatima
    « Reply #106 on: March 08, 2025, 05:28:06 PM »
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    Oh, I think I see the problem here. I don't know of any indication that the third secret is a prophecy of the end times. I'm not aware that Our Lady or any of the seers said this. Why do you think it is?








    The Faith teaches that the world will last until Christ comes again at the end of the world to judge the living and the dead. That will be the last judgment. After that, every human being will be either in heaven or in hell. The Church Militant and Church Suffering will no longer exist; only the Church Triumphant. That state will last for all eternity. Most of this is Catholic dogma. The statement of St. Augustine is referring to the state of eternity after the end of the world and the last judgment. The supernatural intervention that you mention is the second coming of Christ, the end of the world, the general resurrection, and the last judgment.

    I'm not sure what you're describing here, and it doesn't seem to match this all that well.


    Rome will not be the headquarters of the Church after the end of the world because the Church Militant will not exist any longer, and probably Rome itself will not exist either. My concern is that it seems to violate the canons of Vatican I, Trent, and other councils to say that Rome will cease to be the head of the Church before the end of the world. It is defined that the Roman pontiff is the successor of St. Peter and the head of the Church. Theologians have said this must mean that the holy see cannot be moved to any other diocese apart from Rome, since then the bishop of that other diocese, and not the Roman pontiff, would be the head of the Church.

    But the text of this third secret says that the authority of the Church will be moved to Fatima, that the tomb of St. Peter will be moved to Fatima, that the cathedral of the pope (the headquarters of the pope as bishop of Rome) must be destroyed and replaced with one in Fatima. It also holds out the possibility that Rome itself, as a city, will be destroyed, which is something theologians have rejected as impossible for the same reasons, namely that there cannot be a bishop of Rome, i.e. a pope, if the city of Rome does not exist.

    From the 1957 interview of Sr. Lucia with Fr. Fuentes:
    https://fatima.org/silencing-of-the-messengers-father-fuentes-1959-1965/

    Last Times
    “Father, the Most Holy Virgin did not tell me that we are in the last times of the world, but She made me understand this for three reasons.”
    The Final Battle
    “The first reason is because She told me that the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Virgin. And a decisive battle is the final battle where one side will be victorious and the other side will suffer defeat. Also, from now on we must choose sides. Either we are for God or we are for the devil. There is no other possibility.”
    The Last Remedies
    “The second reason is because She said to my cousins as well as to myself, that God is giving two last remedies to the world. These are the Holy Rosary and devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These are the last two remedies which signify that there will be no others.”
    The Sin Against the Holy Spirit
    “The third reason is because in the plans of Divine Providence, God always, before He is about to chastise the world, exhausts all other remedies. Now, when He sees that the world pays no attention whatsoever, then as we say in our imperfect manner of speaking, He offers us with 'certain fear' the last means of salvation, His Most Holy Mother. It is with 'certain fear' because if you despise and repulse this ultimate means, we will not have any more forgiveness from Heaven, because we will have committed a sin which the Gospel calls the sin against the Holy Ghost. This sin consists of openly rejecting, with full knowledge and consent, the salvation which He offers. Let us remember that Jesus Christ is a very good Son and that He does not permit that we offend and despise His Most Holy Mother. We have recorded through many centuries of Church history the obvious testimony which demonstrates by the terrible chastisements which have befallen those who have attacked the honor of His Most Holy Mother, how Our Lord Jesus Christ has always defended the honor of His Mother.”




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    Re: The TIA 3rd Secret of Fatima
    « Reply #107 on: March 08, 2025, 09:43:25 PM »
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  • Can you give some specific examples of prophecies (quotes please) that say that the era of peace comes BEFORE the Antichrist? Do you think Ven. Holzhauser is saying that? If so, I can explain exactly where in the Apocalypse timeline Ven. Holzhauser's prophecy of the Angelic Pope/Great Monarch fits in. Holzhauser himself explains it.

    The short explanation is that Holzhauser says that the "Mighty Angel" who comes at the beginning of Apocalypse chapter 10 is the "Great Monarch." Again, that is Holzhausers interpretation of St. John's words, not mine. That scene occurs during what the Apocalypse calls the Second Woe. It is during the First Woe that the Antichrist shows up for the first time. The Antichrist is still active AFTER the scene of the Great Monarch. So it is more precise to say that the "era of peace" (ushered in but the Great Monarch and Angelic Pope) begins in the middle of the activity of the Antichrist.

    I can go into more detail with specific quotes from Holzhauser and locations in the Apocalypse if you are interested. Otherwise, I'll leave it at that.
    It seems that Ven holzhauser was saying that because he said it was the sixth age and the age of the antichrist was the seventh, but I guess one could just say that the sixth age was the church from 1929-1958 and this 29 year period sounds a lot like “20 years of good harvest” mentioned at La Sallete

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    Re: The TIA 3rd Secret of Fatima
    « Reply #108 on: March 08, 2025, 09:47:27 PM »
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  • I think that we might have a different understanding of how the "era of peace" will come about and what the "era of peace" will look like. Can you describe, in your estimation, how this "era of peace" comes about and the main differences between our current era and that future "the era of peace?" Or, even better, can you provide quotes from Church-recognized authorities that explain what you are referring to?
    Well there will be faith in the earth during the era of peace, does that mean Our Lord won’t return until a long time, and he doesn’t return right after the defeat of the antichrist,

    That sounds like the view of fr berry


    i dont know what the period of peace would be like or if there even will be one, though if I were a betting man I would say it would last until the earth is 7000 years old, and then our lord will return maybe? If it happens