However, it was my understanding that Fr Epiney heard it directly from ABL. Having said that, I'm just not sure what to make of it.
I want to retract my earlier posts because I have seen some other quotes post-1988 that would seem to suggest that ABL wouldn't say the mass non una cuм. However, I don't rule out the possibility that he did it privately but still held it was a position that should remain private.
The interview begins by saying:
"Fr. Epiney told me personally, so many times that after the 1988 consecrations, Archbishop Lefebvre would not anymore mention the name of John Paul 2 in the Canon of the Mass. So you know, I'm not lying about this, I have no reasons to believe that Fr. Epiney lied about it, and that's what he told me multiple times." He goes on to say he believes it because he believes it came to a head and finally hit +ABL after the 1988 consecrations.
First, it is easy to understand that +Roy has no reason to disbelieve Fr. Epiney because he is himself non-una cuм, and unlike +ABL, has always believed in and preached non-una cuм. Believes non-una cuм to be correct and probably even virtuous.
Meanwhile we have recordings of
+ABL from 1989, almost a whole year after the consecrations - plenty of time to have "seen the light" - yet he is preaching against sedeism and specifically preaching against non-una cuм....
”… And then, he (Dom Guillou O.S.B. 2) goes through all the prayers of the Canon, all the prayers of the Roman Canon. He goes through them one after the other and then he shows the difference, he gives translations, very good ones. He gives, for example, precisely this famous.. you know, this famous una cuм.., una cuм of the sedevacantists. And you, do you say una cuм? (laughter of the nuns of St-Michel-en-Brenne). You say una cuм in the Canon of the Mass! Then we cannot pray with you; then you’re not Catholic; you’re not this; you’re not that; you’re not.. Ridiculous! ridiculous! because they claim that when we say una cuм summo Pontifice, the Pope, isn’t it, with the Pope, so therefore you embrace everything the Pope says. It’s ridiculous! It’s ridiculous! In fact, this is not the meaning of the prayer..."
If you read the link, you will find that +ABL continues on to explain what the prayer actually does mean. NOTE: Whether or not sedes agree it means what +ABL says it means does not matter, what matters *in this case* is that *he believes it,* and is on that account he never could have said the Mass non-una cuм, not ever.
He ends by saying:
"Then we must not keep this idea which is FALSE! which a number of Catholics, poorly instructed, poorly taught, believe! So obviously, people no longer understand anything, they are completely desperate, they do not know what to expect! We must keep the Catholic faith as the Church teaches it."
What the bishop in the video is saying and apparently believes, is that +ABL includes himself among those poorly instructed and poorly taught who believe in a false idea. And that +ABL himself no longer understands anything, is completely desperate and does not know what to expect.
The whole idea that +ABL was at anytime non-una cuм is altogether absurd to the Nth degree. The video is "ridiculous! ridiculous!"