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Author Topic: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?  (Read 23653 times)

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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #190 on: January 20, 2024, 10:07:25 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 20, 2024, 05:48:28 PM
They would say this to non-sedes.  But if you’re a sede, then it’s sinful to attend una cuм. 
Nope.   I have never heard any CMRI or independent priest tell a sede that it is sinful to assist at an una cuм mass.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #191 on: January 20, 2024, 10:13:49 PM »

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It's sinful? 
Oh yes, i've been told this many times.  If you attend a mass where the priest "prays in union with" a heretic pope then you are "in communion with" a heretic pope.  (The 2 phrases in quotes are theologically made-up nonsense, but those are their arguments).  They consider it more than sinful; it's heresy.
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #192 on: January 21, 2024, 12:40:25 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 20, 2024, 06:09:27 PM
Seem as though only Stubborn and a few of the other Old Catholics here really care whether +Lefebvre did or did not offer Mass una cuм Wojtyla.  That's because they're replaced the rule of faith they have rejected in the Magisterium with the latest position of Archbishop Lefebvre (which could differ from year to year and even month to month).  If +Lefebvre had started doing Novus Ordo clown Masses before he died, it would have zero effect on what I think.
Closer to the truth, Ladislaus and his friends really want to prove that ABL was non-una-cuм, in spite of everything he ever did and said, in spite of what he enjoined upon the religious society he founded, in spite of what all his faithful followers have always known and preached and done, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. Yet they cling to this one little straw. Why are they so desperate? Why does it matter to them? They all see in Archbishop Lefebvre the faithful Catholic shepherd God gave us whom we ought to follow, and they want to find in him the justification for what they do. You can't blame them for that...
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #193 on: January 21, 2024, 04:48:42 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on January 20, 2024, 03:32:53 PM
So what I would like to see is someone present this to Bishop Roy and see how he responds.

I would add that perhaps you should avoid implying that he is lying given you falsely accused another sede Bishop of lying not too long ago.
Put it this way...
2V, put the shoe on the other foot for just a minute......if an una cuм bishop said he was told multiple times by another una cuм priest  that Fr. Cekada told this priest that in his last years Fr. Cekada celebrated the Mass una cuм, would you simply roll over and accept that?  Do you think Lad would? Do you think any sede would?

This other shoe is just as unfathomable to you, but possible and acceptable to me, as +ABL celebrating the Mass non-una cuм is unfathomable to me, but possible and acceptable to you.

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Re: Red Alert! Are the Sedevacantists the Only True Followers of Abp. Lefebvre?
« Reply #194 on: January 21, 2024, 05:01:13 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on January 20, 2024, 03:32:53 PM
So what I would like to see is someone present this to Bishop Roy and see how he responds.
I would be surprised if he responded any differently, and yet, there it is, +ABL explaining what he believes una cuм  means. Per the link, +ABL says it means, and I quote him here: "WE ASK TO KEEP THE POPE IN THE TRUE RELIGION."

Now we are supposed to believe that +ABL decided not to pray for the pope any more, after he just said that he believes the above? This is reasonable, how?
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