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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #80 on: Today at 04:33:14 PM »
Quote from: Telling on Today at 10:22:14 AM
Amen. To most of this.

Regarding the last part, Eucharistic Miracles confirm the validity of the New Mass. The issue in the NOM is not validity. It is what Theologians call "integrity", stripping away much of the other parts of the Holy Mass, other than the bare essentials necessary for validity. So the Mass will still be valid, as Indult Trad Priest Fr. Ripperger teaches, but the Mass will merit fewer graces as far as the extrinsic effects of the Mass are concerned. Fr. Ripperger explains this in detail in his article, the Merit of a Mass.

An excerpt here: "However, when we consider the rituals themselves, it is possible to arrive at which is more meritorious.

The new rite is “streamlined” in the sense that those who wrote it sought to simplify the ritual. This resulted in less pomp, so in this respect we may say the old rite is more meritorious than the new. We have mentioned in a prior article that the old rite excels the newer rituals with regard to the virtues."

https://menaschrist.wordpress.com/the-merit-of-a-mass/
The demons can replicate most of the miracles, just like the fake Marian apparitions.  Father Ripperger scares me because he thinks demons give him useful information.

God doesn't make mistakes.   Man does.  
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #81 on: Today at 06:24:06 PM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on Today at 09:37:47 AM
He actually doesn't.  If he is truly attending an indult (if you have a sense of humor, I first typed insult) mass, then he is following the Popes, he believes has authority.  He is probably in a better position than you, because he is consistent and doesn't follow his own lead.

The problem I have is that I am not sure the body and blood of Jesus is there in his mass, because all the changes were so drastic and we don't have a current authority we can trust.
Gray you clearly struggle with basic logic. The changes of vatican 2 contradict what the church has always taught. The Vatican 2 claimants were/are public heretics and apostates and promote those errors.

The logic of the changes of the new rites make clear to me that I must avoid them to be consistent with what the Church has taught barring the contractions of Vatican 2.
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