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Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #70 on: Today at 01:00:43 AM »
Why do you attack the Dimonds when they are presenting the teaching of POPES. It's not like the Dimonds made these quotes up, they are showing Catholic doctrine. Very strange that you and others do this, although not too strange in your case since you go to the indult.
Because Catholicism is not a religion of private judgment by lay popes on the internet. Pre-Vatican II Catholic theologians have clearly explained it as an ecclesiastical law only forbidding public Masses for non-Catholics, while allowing that a non-Catholic can have a private Mass, or at least other private prayers, said for their conversion at death. One of the very quotes the Dimonds offered on this point admitted a non-Catholic may be saved at the last minute "by a hidden benefit of the merciful God". The God of the Popes is not the merciless god of Br. Peter Dimond.

Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #71 on: Today at 01:03:03 AM »
Lol. And look at this. Saint Padre Pio COMPLETELY DESTROYS and REFUTES the Dimondite opinion on this point: "Padre Pio was once being examined by a doctor who noticed that the friar was quietly praying. Curious, the doctor asked him for whom he was offering his prayers. Padre Pio replied that he was praying for the holy death of his grandfather.

The doctor was surprised and said, “I knew your grandfather. He died at least twenty years ago.”

Padre Pio answered calmly, “Yes. But God knew twenty years ago that I would be here at this moment praying for my grandfather. And in His mercy, God applied the grace of this prayer to my grandfather at the moment of his judgment.”

When Padre Pio spoke of praying for his grandfather twenty years after his death, he was not offering a pious paradox. He was unveiling a mystery of divine mercy that we often forget. God is not bound by clocks or calendars. What seems late to us is never late to Him."

https://www.mysticaltheologyofthemass.com/post/padre-pio-s-prays-for-his-grandfather

So Saint Padre Pio says we can "pray for the happy death of our own great-grandfathers" and beyond, because "God is outside of time". Do you think the Dimonds will repent and submit to St. Pio, or remain stubborn?


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Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #72 on: Today at 04:44:13 AM »
Lol. And look at this. Saint Padre Pio COMPLETELY DESTROYS and REFUTES the Dimondite opinion on this point: "Padre Pio was once being examined by a doctor who noticed that the friar was quietly praying. Curious, the doctor asked him for whom he was offering his prayers. Padre Pio replied that he was praying for the holy death of his grandfather.

The doctor was surprised and said, “I knew your grandfather. He died at least twenty years ago.”

Padre Pio answered calmly, “Yes. But God knew twenty years ago that I would be here at this moment praying for my grandfather. And in His mercy, God applied the grace of this prayer to my grandfather at the moment of his judgment.”

When Padre Pio spoke of praying for his grandfather twenty years after his death, he was not offering a pious paradox. He was unveiling a mystery of divine mercy that we often forget. God is not bound by clocks or calendars. What seems late to us is never late to Him."

https://www.mysticaltheologyofthemass.com/post/padre-pio-s-prays-for-his-grandfather

So Saint Padre Pio says we can "pray for the happy death of our own great-grandfathers" and beyond, because "God is outside of time". Do you think the Dimonds will repent and submit to St. Pio, or remain stubborn?
>It's another made up story about Padre Pio to attack Catholic doctrine episode
What's wrong you and other indulters disregarding actual Catholic AUTHORITY for emotional sentimentalism? Insanity!

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Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #73 on: Today at 04:53:30 AM »
Because Catholicism is not a religion of private judgment by lay popes on the internet. Pre-Vatican II Catholic theologians have clearly explained it as an ecclesiastical law only forbidding public Masses for non-Catholics, while allowing that a non-Catholic can have a private Mass, or at least other private prayers, said for their conversion at death. One of the very quotes the Dimonds offered on this point admitted a non-Catholic may be saved at the last minute "by a hidden benefit of the merciful God". The God of the Popes is not the merciless god of Br. Peter Dimond.
If a bunch of theologians say one things and a bunch of Popes say the opposite who do we obey? We obey the Popes, as they have more authority. Amazing how you do exactly what you accuse me and the Dimonds of, being a lay Pope. You falsely conjure the notion that just because God can miraculously convert a non-catholic before their death that means we can pray or say mass for them without any external reason to believe they had a conversion.

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Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #74 on: Today at 09:37:47 AM »
If a bunch of theologians say one things and a bunch of Popes say the opposite who do we obey? We obey the Popes, as they have more authority. Amazing how you do exactly what you accuse me and the Dimonds of, being a lay Pope. You falsely conjure the notion that just because God can miraculously convert a non-catholic before their death that means we can pray or say mass for them without any external reason to believe they had a conversion.
He actually doesn't.  If he is truly attending an indult (if you have a sense of humor, I first typed insult) mass, then he is following the Popes, he believes has authority.  He is probably in a better position than you, because he is consistent and doesn't follow his own lead.

The problem I have is that I am not sure the body and blood of Jesus is there in his mass, because all the changes were so drastic and we don't have a current authority we can trust.