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Poll

What does Cum Ex expect us to do about Francis?

Judge or insist that he is not pope?
0 (0%)
Decide if he is pope or not?
0 (0%)
Contradict him? (do not deviate from the faith with him)
1 (12.5%)
Acknowledge without any declaration being necessary that he deviated from the faith or was heretic before his election and therefore is no pope at all because his election was null and void.
5 (62.5%)
Other (please explain)
2 (25%)

Total Members Voted: 7

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Poll: cuм Ex - What did Pope Paul VI say we should do?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2025, 03:03:44 PM »
You are so blind it is truly amazing to witness.

HE HAS TO BE THE POPE IN THE 1ST PLACE in order to "contradict him for deviating from the faith".

You have destroyed the entire Bull to cling to a single sentence that you NEED to mean what you think it does at the exclusion of everything else so that you can continuing believing and acting as you do.

Francis was NEVER POPE TO BEGIN WITH ACCORDING TO THE BULL!

So, your misused quote that ignores the entirety of cuм Ex is 100% worthless. :laugh2:


But I suppose your blindness in this regard is to be expected... What is even more amazing though is that you actually thought hashing this out on the other thread would make sense...

He was elected by all of the Cardinals, they accepted him as pope and we must also. You must first do what the enemies could not do - destroy the legal structure and hierarchy of the Church - you have to start there, that has to be your starting and ending point in order to believe he was never elected as pope in the first place.

This is proof positive that you are altogether wrong.

Offline Gray2023

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Re: Poll: cuм Ex - What did Pope Paul VI say we should do?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2025, 03:21:57 PM »
cuм Ex is an official docuмent of the church, directed towards the clergy and those with authority in the Vatican.  "They" are the ones who have a duty to call out Francis, as have all Traditional clergy, including those still alive, such as +Williamson, +Vigano, +Sanborn, etc, etc.


"We the laity" are expected to do nothing in regards to the pope, except to ignore him and continue on worshipping God in the orthodox/Traditional rites.  "We the laity" have no authority to do anything, except to save our own souls and those of our family/friends.
This^^


Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Poll: cuм Ex - What did Pope Paul VI say we should do?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2025, 03:29:53 PM »
cuм Ex is an official docuмent of the church, directed towards the clergy and those with authority in the Vatican.  "They" are the ones who have a duty to call out Francis, as have all Traditional clergy, including those still alive, such as +Williamson, +Vigano, +Sanborn, etc, etc.


"We the laity" are expected to do nothing in regards to the pope, except to ignore him and continue on worshipping God in the orthodox/Traditional rites.  "We the laity" have no authority to do anything, except to save our own souls and those of our family/friends.

Well, one thing Cuм Ex clearly does, it gives a layman authority to withdraw obedience, etc.:



Quote
7. Finally, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity, We] also [enact, determine, define and decree]:- that any and all persons who would have been subject to those thus promoted or elevated if they had not previously deviated from the Faith, become heretics, incurred schism or provoked or committed any or all of these, be they members of anysoever of the following categories:


(i) the clergy, secular and religious;

(ii) the laity;

(iii) the Cardinals, even those who shall have taken part in the election of this very Pontiff previously deviating from the Faith or heretical or schismatical, or shall otherwise have consented and vouchsafed obedience to him and shall have venerated him;

(iv) Castellans, Prefects, Captains and Officials, even of Our Beloved City and of the entire Ecclesiastical State, even if they shall be obliged and beholden to those thus promoted or elevated by homage, oath or security; shall be permitted at any time to withdraw with impunity from obedience and devotion to those thus promoted or elevated and to avoid them as warlocks, heathens, publicans, and heresiarchs (the same subject persons, nevertheless, remaining bound by the duty of fidelity and obedience to any future Bishops, Archbishops, Patriarchs, Primates, Cardinals and Roman Pontiff canonically entering).



For my part, I wouldn't call withdrawing obedience, avoiding as a warlock and heresiarch, etc. as "doing nothing." That's lawful rebellion.

Re: Poll: cuм Ex - What did Pope Paul VI say we should do?
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2025, 03:45:40 PM »
For you Seraphina:
1.In assessing Our duty and the situation now prevailing, We have been weighed upon by the thought that a matter of this kind [i.e. error in respect of the Faith] is so grave and so dangerous that the Roman Pontiff,who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fullness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith. Remembering also that, where danger is greater, it must more fully and more diligently be counteracted. - Pope Paul IV, cuм ex Apostolatus Officio 1559
Did you read the question? It’s about Pope Paul VI, (6th), not IV, (4th). 

Offline Meg

Re: Poll: cuм Ex - What did Pope Paul VI say we should do?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2025, 04:41:11 PM »
Did you read the question? It’s about Pope Paul VI, (6th), not IV, (4th).

The heading of the OP says Pope Paul IV, but the heading of the thread says Pope Paul VI. Looks like the person who posted this thread was a little confused, or maybe his handlers weren't paying attention.