So, this was claimed yesterday (the source is irrelevant to the poll):
A distillation would be, "Hey! You can't declare Novus Ordites outside the Church - because then YOU are outside the Church."
Since +Williamson's death, we have had people like EMJ, Michael Lofton, and N.O. Media basically inferring or outright claiming that +Williamson was NOT a member of the Church, "imperfect communion", "automatic excommunications for illicit consecrations, etc.
But this is really no news. Burke, and others claim the SSPX is schismatic, Schneider, Strickland, & Francis say they are not. They all believe SVs are schismatic. Neither adherents of the Resistance nor the SVs want to belong to their Novus Ordo church anyway.
Regardless, the net result is that most Novus Ordites believe (rightly, or wrongly), that groups such as the SSPX, Resistance, SVs, Recusants, etc. are schismatics.
Think of Vigano -why was he "excommunicated"? Answer: for not accepting Vatican II, nor Francis as pope. While R&R accept Francis as pope, most do not accept Vatican II - at least not in the sense that could clear them of the same charge:
I hardly think it can be argued that claiming that V2 was full of "errors/heresy or straight from hell" (such as this ^^^ poll's results demonstrate) constitutes accepting V2.
Simple point: most everyone on this forum is "guilty" of the same "crimes" as Vigano and therefore according to the N.O. they are schismatic. No one in the N.O. church could be faulted in the least for holding it otherwise.
Was St. Servatus in schism for claiming that all those who remain in communion with heretics are not to be considered Christian?
St. Servatus - "It is not from hearsay that I know what he has been teaching, but from having myself heard it. Our churches are adjacent; many times I have had occasion to contradict him, when he has denied the divinity of Jesus Christ. It has even happened in the presence of Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria... I judge that he can no longer be bishop of Christians; and those do not deserve to be considered Christians who remain in communion with him."
But, according to the quote at the very top - does it not then logically follow that it is rather the Novus Ordites that are the ones in schism because they hold that Trad Catholics are in schism?
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