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Offline Geremia

“We do not want to separate ourselves from Rome, we belong to the Church”
« on: November 23, 2024, 12:59:40 PM »
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Offline Incredulous

Re: “We do not want to separate ourselves from Rome, we belong to the Church”
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2024, 03:46:02 PM »

Correction:

“We do not want to separate ourselves from Rome the schism, we belong to the newChurch”
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Offline St Giles

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Re: “We do not want to separate ourselves from Rome, we belong to the Church”
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2024, 04:01:36 PM »
Is this true?

"In our fraternity, it has never been questioned that the Novus Ordo is intrinsically valid."
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Offline Twice dyed

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Re: “We do not want to separate ourselves from Rome, we belong to the Church”
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2024, 11:37:29 AM »
Quote from: St Giles on November 24, 2024, 04:01:36 PM
Is this true?

"In our fraternity, it has never been questioned that the Novus Ordo is intrinsically valid."
It would be clearer if the term " Novus Ordo" was examined in its different aspects. Ok, the New Mass is valid according to +Lefebvre, but illicit as in BASTARD MASS. Re. each sacrament, N.O. , possibly valid...doubtful..etc. Catholics must not, can not receive doubtful sacraments,
Neo sspx now accepts  N.O. mass as " legitimately promulgated", and for certain +Lefebvre disagrees on this point. Same reasoning for consecrations: N.O. are doubtful, which is the simple reason why +L. consecrated 4 bishops. If Fr. Phluger is saying that ALL OF NOVUS ORDO is valid, ie VatII docuмents, magisterium, canonisations, etc , he hasn't meditated sufficiently. He should read: Timebombs of Vatican II by Fr. S.
Pray.






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Offline Meg

Re: “We do not want to separate ourselves from Rome, we belong to the Church”
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2024, 12:44:01 PM »
Quote from: Twice dyed on November 25, 2024, 11:37:29 AM
It would be clearer if the term " Novus Ordo" was examined in its different aspects. Ok, the New Mass is valid according to +Lefebvre, but illicit as in BASTARD MASS. Re. each sacrament, N.O. , possibly valid...doubtful..etc. Catholics must not, can not receive doubtful sacraments,
Neo sspx now accepts  N.O. mass as " legitimately promulgated", and for certain +Lefebvre disagrees on this point. Same reasoning for consecrations: N.O. are doubtful, which is the simple reason why +L. consecrated 4 bishops. If Fr. Phluger is saying that ALL OF NOVUS ORDO is valid, ie VatII docuмents, magisterium, canonisations, etc , he hasn't meditated sufficiently. He should read: Timebombs of Vatican II by Fr. S.
Pray.

It's my understanding as well that +ABL and the former SSPX (vs. the neo-SSPX) believed that the new mass is valid but illicit. It sounds like the SSPX is now saying that it's licit?
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