Catholic Info
Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Geremia on November 23, 2024, 12:59:40 PM
-
“We do not want to separate ourselves from Rome, we belong to the Church” - Interview with Fr Pfluger SSPX on new episcopal consecrations (https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2024/11/we-do-not-want-to-separate-ourselves.html)
-
Correction:
“We do not want to separate ourselves from Rome the schism, we belong to the newChurch”
-
Is this true?
"In our fraternity, it has never been questioned that the Novus Ordo is intrinsically valid."
-
Is this true?
"In our fraternity, it has never been questioned that the Novus Ordo is intrinsically valid."
It would be clearer if the term " Novus Ordo" was examined in its different aspects. Ok, the New Mass is valid according to +Lefebvre, but illicit as in BASTARD MASS. Re. each sacrament, N.O. , possibly valid...doubtful..etc. Catholics must not, can not receive doubtful sacraments,
Neo sspx now accepts N.O. mass as " legitimately promulgated", and for certain +Lefebvre disagrees on this point. Same reasoning for consecrations: N.O. are doubtful, which is the simple reason why +L. consecrated 4 bishops. If Fr. Phluger is saying that ALL OF NOVUS ORDO is valid, ie VatII docuмents, magisterium, canonisations, etc , he hasn't meditated sufficiently. He should read: Timebombs of Vatican II by Fr. S.
Pray.
-
It would be clearer if the term " Novus Ordo" was examined in its different aspects. Ok, the New Mass is valid according to +Lefebvre, but illicit as in BASTARD MASS. Re. each sacrament, N.O. , possibly valid...doubtful..etc. Catholics must not, can not receive doubtful sacraments,
Neo sspx now accepts N.O. mass as " legitimately promulgated", and for certain +Lefebvre disagrees on this point. Same reasoning for consecrations: N.O. are doubtful, which is the simple reason why +L. consecrated 4 bishops. If Fr. Phluger is saying that ALL OF NOVUS ORDO is valid, ie VatII docuмents, magisterium, canonisations, etc , he hasn't meditated sufficiently. He should read: Timebombs of Vatican II by Fr. S.
Pray.
It's my understanding as well that +ABL and the former SSPX (vs. the neo-SSPX) believed that the new mass is valid but illicit. It sounds like the SSPX is now saying that it's licit?