Author Topic: Phoenix FSSP priests shot! One dead, another in critical condition! (Read 18584 times)

Dolores · « **Reply #120 on:** June 16, 2014, 05:47:47 PM »

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The Phoenix Police Department deserves the utmost respect. They worked overtime and even expedited the forensic lab tests because they felt an attack on a "man of the cloth" was like an attack on a fellow officer. (Yet another reason priests must wear cassocks.)

It has been the practice of clerics in the United States to not wear the cassock while in public since at least the 19th Century.

Geremia · « **Reply #121 on:** June 16, 2014, 06:00:18 PM »

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It has been the practice of clerics in the United States to not wear the cassock while in public since at least the 19th Century.

19th century? Really? What would they wear instead?

Sigismund · « **Reply #122 on:** June 16, 2014, 06:59:26 PM »

A black suit in the style of the time and a clerical collar.

Sigismund · « **Reply #123 on:** June 16, 2014, 07:02:38 PM »

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from left to right: suspect Mr. Moran, Fr. Terra in wheelchair (epistle side at Fr. Walker's Requiem at St. Catherine's in Phoenix), and Fr. Walker:

(source)

Fr. Terra looks very bad. It is another testament to his heroic character that he made it to the Mass.

Geremia · « **Reply #124 on:** June 16, 2014, 07:09:38 PM »

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A black suit in the style of the time and a clerical collar.

So, clerics
I thought clerics were only for business meetings with other priests etc.

Geremia · « **Reply #125 on:** June 16, 2014, 07:11:05 PM »

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Fr. Terra looks very bad. It is another testament to his heroic character that he made it to the Mass.

Yes, he looks swollen.
They certainly had to cut into his cranial bones to relieve the pressure, and you can see the scars of that.
Also, his fingers were broken, but Deo gratias he still has them.

Dolores · « **Reply #126 on:** June 16, 2014, 08:09:20 PM »

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It has been the practice of clerics in the United States to not wear the cassock while in public since at least the 19th Century.
19th century? Really? What would they wear instead?

Sigismund is correct. It is the long-standing custom for priests in the United States, while in public, to wear black suits according to the fashion of the day with the Roman Collar. Cassocks have been reserved for liturgical and in-home use for two centuries, if not longer. This has been the custom of priests in the United States for a very long time, and was codified into law by the Councils of Baltimore (the same Councils which drafted the Baltimore Cathecism, so there is no doubting their orthodoxy).

Geremia · « **Reply #127 on:** June 16, 2014, 08:11:13 PM »

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It has been the practice of clerics in the United States to not wear the cassock while in public since at least the 19th Century.
19th century? Really? What would they wear instead?

Sigismund is correct. Priests in the United States, while in public, would wear black suits according to the fashion of the day with the Roman Collar. Cassocks have been reserved for liturgical and in-home use for two centuries, if not longer. This was the custom of priests in the United States for a very long time, and was codified in law by the Councils of Baltimore (the same Councils which drafted the Baltimore Cathecism, so no doubting their orthodoxy).

Well, regardless, they (1) wore a collar and (2) were in some kind of official uniform that unmistakably identified them as priests.

Dolores · « **Reply #128 on:** June 16, 2014, 08:13:01 PM »

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It has been the practice of clerics in the United States to not wear the cassock while in public since at least the 19th Century.
19th century? Really? What would they wear instead?

Sigismund is correct. Priests in the United States, while in public, would wear black suits according to the fashion of the day with the Roman Collar. Cassocks have been reserved for liturgical and in-home use for two centuries, if not longer. This was the custom of priests in the United States for a very long time, and was codified in law by the Councils of Baltimore (the same Councils which drafted the Baltimore Cathecism, so no doubting their orthodoxy).
Well, regardless, they (1) wore a collar and (2) were in some kind of official uniform that unmistakably identified them as priests.

No doubt about that. Just not the cassock.

songbird · « **Reply #129 on:** June 16, 2014, 09:45:38 PM »

One man, Moran, who said he did it, on tv showed him in a wheel chair? strange and is this photo of him now or of the past. For all the scuffle that took place, Moran has no scratches?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #130 on:** June 16, 2014, 10:16:43 PM »

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One man, Moran, who said he did it, on tv showed him in a wheel chair? strange and is this photo of him now or of the past. For all the scuffle that took place, Moran has no scratches?

My thoughts exactly. I have thought the story was off from the beginning.

Geremia · « **Reply #131 on:** June 16, 2014, 11:59:04 PM »

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One man, Moran, who said he did it, on tv showed him in a wheel chair?

Yes

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strange and is this photo of him now or of the past.

I assume it's a photo from after his arrest, since his hair was long in the interrogation room just like in the picture, but on his record it is shorter.

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For all the scuffle that took place, Moran has no scratches?

Not to his face, but the attacker immediately disabled Fr. Terra with the angle iron to his hands.

I heard the rectory was completely ravaged, with blood all over, so I think they could take a sufficiently large sample of blood for DNA testing. Apparently the DNA matches Moran, the blood in Fr. Walker's car, and the blood in the rectory.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #132 on:** June 17, 2014, 01:46:28 AM »

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http://www.azfamily.com/news/Mass-for-murdered-priest-held-this-morning-investigation-continues-263280891.html

They've made an arrest. No details yet.
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Sgt. Steve Martos confirmed the arrest Monday morning, but did not provide any information. In a tweet, he said, police planned to provide details later in the date.

Video from AzCentral

The AzCentral site mara linked above has several videos that play automatically in succession. These are TV news broadcasts covering the story over the past several days.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/06/16/phoenix-priest-murder-arrest-abrk/10573761/

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Geremia · « **Reply #133 on:** June 17, 2014, 03:47:46 PM »

Fr. Terra said, when in the hospital, "Much good will come from this." (source).
It already has, Deo gratias: It caused at least one woman to go to confession. (source).

Geremia · « **Reply #134 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:35:19 PM »

Fr. Terra forgives his attacker and is praying for him.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-phoenix-priests-20140616-story.html