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People respected the Church more when Latin was our language
« on: October 26, 2022, 12:11:13 AM »
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  • Think of how many fields STILL rely heavily on Latin:

    Science: pretty much every field. Too many to list. Astronomy, meteorology, geology, biology, you name it.
    Law
    Medicine: biology, chemistry (names of elements), etc.

    And here only the Catholic Church used Latin in its liturgy, as its common language, etc. It really gave prestige to the Church, especially since using Latin didn't "just happen" but went back all the way to the first century A.D. in an unbroken line!

    How many countries, dynasties, or anything are almost 2,000 years old, anyhow? Very few.

    But at Vatican II, the Church couldn't give up Latin fast enough. It dropped Latin like a bad habit.

    It's not even just scientists, lawyers and doctors that use Latin though. Two of the top 4 languages on earth (English, Spanish) rely heavily on Latin for their vocabulary. The "proper" and sometimes even the common words for so many body parts were named by educated (in Latin) doctors centuries ago.

    What's almost funny is how all our private parts were given basically what amounts to very basic, usually metaphoric nicknames -- but in Latin. So except for those who know Latin, no one notices or knows this today.

    testes = witnesses (that testify to one's potency, manhood)
    etc. (I want to keep CathInfo kid-friendly, so...)

    Of course, as with most words in English, we often have 2 words for everything. The high-end one (os, oris = mouth) and the base, Germanic one ("mouth"). We say "mouth", but take pills "orally". We have "eyes" but use our "vision". We "hear" many things, but "audit" a college class.  And go to school (Schule in German) but then to college (from the Latin).
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: People respected the Church more when Latin was our language
    « Reply #1 on: October 26, 2022, 11:27:37 AM »
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  • They also respected the Church more when the Tridentine Mass was the only Mass out there.

    I've seen Hollywood movies or TV shows from more recent times (within the past 20 years) where they briefly showed a priest saying Mass, and where it was in fact the Tridentine Mass (with Latin, sometimes with chant, etc.)  Hollywood even realizes the aesthetic appeal of the Tridentine Mass vs. the crap Novus Ordo celebrations which might as well be backyard cookouts.


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    Re: People respected the Church more when Latin was our language
    « Reply #2 on: October 26, 2022, 11:40:15 AM »
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  • Ever watch the Lord of the Rings series, and you see whenever they read some ancient text or perform some sacred ritual, it's always in the elvish language or some other ancient language? I've always noticed that there is something impressive in any scene in which they speak in any of those Tolkeinian languages, and they always do that to lend importance to anything in the movie.

    To go from the ridiculous to the sublime, there is a similar effect in using Latin for Mass and the sacraments and blessings. There is something that appeals to us and strikes something deep within our nature that we use an ancient, sacred and not-commonly-known language to speak to God. After all, God is ancient and sacred and not commonly known, so it just makes more sense in our mind to address Him in such a way, and people feel instinctively that God is being spoken to when we use such a method. Using the vernacular brings God down to the level of the street with the rest of us.

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    Re: People respected the Church more when Latin was our language
    « Reply #3 on: October 26, 2022, 12:05:07 PM »
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  • This priest, who who lived to be 97, wrote a letter to the New Oxford Review in response to those implying that priests mumbled the Latin prayers of the mass before Vatican II. He mentions Latin and the read is a good look at the "glory days " as he called them. He was ordained in 1942 iirc.

    "I began serving the “old Mass” as an altar boy in 1927. I am now 88 years old, 62 years as a priest. As a lad, knowing the perfect recitations of all the Latin Mass responses, I dealt with priests of every age and devotion and I do not recall any who deliberately mumbled their prayers. The churches were not air-conditioned in those days and in the hot summer days it was not uncommon to omit the sermon; Low Mass might last for only 20 minutes, and Communions were much fewer in those days. Now with the Novus Ordo, I have attended Mass in 10 minutes. A possible scandal.

    The only scandal I can recall in the old days was people sleeping during the sermon. Nobody complained about the Eucharistic fast from midnight; nobody complained about Communion on the tongue or about the Latin. In fact, we were proud of the Latin we knew. Non-Catholics marveled at the piety and the reverence of the congregation and the head-coverings of the women. Those were the glory days of the Church when our Catholic faith was a family thing, a treasure we prized. Our faith was so much a part of our life that it colored our moods, shaped our social activities, influenced our style of dress, and flavored our conversation. How many families can make the same claim today?

    Last Sunday I experienced what perhaps was the greatest joy of my priesthood. I could scarcely contain myself. Indeed, my cup runneth over. I celebrated the Tridentine Latin Mass with a congregation of two hundred people. It was like a repetition of my First Holy Mass 56 years ago. It was a Missa Cantata — those sacred Gregorian melodies so fitting for worship: the solemn Trinity Preface, the solemn Pater Noster, the Holy Gospel, and the Orations.

    My daily vernacular Mass has been a joy in my life, but there was always something about this Tridentine Latin Mass that went beyond all telling. I’ve found something that I had lost some 35 years ago. All those years my heart ached for the Latin Mass that I had lost, always hoping that some day, please God, I would find it. Last Sunday I found it. And like the widow of the Gospel who found her lost coin and who called in her neighbors to rejoice with her, now I was the one who wanted to call in the whole world to share in my joy. It was like being away from home all these years and always hoping that some day the permission for me would arrive to return home and share again with my dear ones the joys of long ago. It was home sweet home again. My joy knows no bounds.

    My humble and ineffable thanks to our good Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, the Good Shepherd who went out looking for all those abandoned sheep to lead us back home again — to Rome, sweet home.

    Would I go back to the new Mass? No way!

    Rev. Charles Schoenbaechler, C.R.
    Louisville, Kentucky"


    His sermons were excellent, often lamenting what the Church became after VII.

    His health deteriorated by the time this reinterment Mass occured but he was there in the sanctuary. The old white haired priest on the kneeler (bottom left on one of the frames )

    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
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    Re: People respected the Church more when Latin was our language
    « Reply #4 on: October 26, 2022, 12:24:19 PM »
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  • Ever watch the Lord of the Rings series, and you see whenever they read some ancient text or perform some sacred ritual, it's always in the elvish language or some other ancient language? I've always noticed that there is something impressive in any scene in which they speak in any of those Tolkeinian languages, and they always do that to lend importance to anything in the movie.

    To go from the ridiculous to the sublime, there is a similar effect in using Latin for Mass and the sacraments and blessings. There is something that appeals to us and strikes something deep within our nature that we use an ancient, sacred and not-commonly-known language to speak to God. After all, God is ancient and sacred and not commonly known, so it just makes more sense in our mind to address Him in such a way, and people feel instinctively that God is being spoken to when we use such a method. Using the vernacular brings God down to the level of the street with the rest of us.
    Most notable/memorable for me are those thrillers involving possession and the Devil. The priests always speak Latin ... and so do the demons/the Devil.  


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    Re: People respected the Church more when Latin was our language
    « Reply #5 on: October 26, 2022, 12:51:58 PM »
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  • People also respected the Church more when nuns wore the traditional habit and were often seen walking together with their hands hidden and their long rosaries.

    Now they see females with butch haircuts wearing street clothes.
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