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Offline Nishant Xavier

Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« on: April 05, 2019, 02:58:12 AM »
A wonderful victory. The TLM continues to benefit the whole Church and re-vitalizes Catholic life in the parishes that promote it. This is the best path for Tradition to follow in the next 10-20 years, and if we do it right, without doubt 100s of thousands of Priests will begin offering the TLM, many of them exclusively, and 100s of millions of Catholics will benefit, and millions more can be sanctified through the blessings and graces that the TLM, the Church's principal source of Grace, brings to them and their families; and thus several millions throughout the world will be saved. This work is very important and very urgent and we cannot afford to get it wrong.

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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/traditional-latin-mass-saves-u.s.-parish-from-closure

"Traditional Latin Mass saves U.S. parish from closure
 Catholic, Extraordinary Form, Latin Mass, Mass, Thomas Tobin, Traditional Latin Mass

PROVIDENCE, Rhode Island, April 3, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – A historic U.S. Catholic Church has escaped closure thanks to the return of the traditional Latin Mass.  

St. Mary’s Church on Broadway in Providence, Rhode Island was the focus of a WPRI news spot this past Sunday because the ancient liturgy now being celebrated there has increased the congregation, leading to a fuller collection basket and thus a future for the 150-year-old church.

St. Mary’s “is going back in time in order to move forward,” said WPRI News reporter Julianne Lima in the two-minute report.

Lima interviewed Jim Forte, who joined the parish of St. Mary’s a decade ago. Founded in 1853, the parish has been emptying in the past ten years, thanks to unspecified “changes.” Forte indicated that the remaining parishioners knew that their church would close if they couldn’t sustain it financially.  

However, the church has been saved thanks to the current Bishop of Providence. In August 2018, Bishop Thomas J. Tobin asked a liturgically traditional order of priests to take charge of St. Mary’s. Father John Berg of the Fraternity of the Priests of Saint Peter (FSSP) is now the pastor and offers Mass solely in the traditional form.

Variously called the Tridentine Mass, the TLM, the Mass of John XXIII, and the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, this form of the Roman Rite has changed little over the millennia. It is said or sung in Latin from liturgical books first published in 1962.  

Parishioner Jim Forte said that he was at first “skeptical” about the parish’s return to traditional worship, citing people who told him that if he stayed he’d be “taking a step backwards” and “going back in time.”

Instead, the restoration drew Catholics from all over New England to St. Mary’s: the average parishioner now travels for 45 minutes to attend or, to use traditional language, “assist” at the Mass.

WPRI News interviewed a young man named Jack Marriott, who has been assisting at traditional Masses for four years but had not previously been able to join a traditional Mass parish.  

“I’ve been waiting for something like this to come along,” he said. “Something with a full community life that just isn’t offered anywhere near where I live.”

The St. Mary’s website lists a number of pious groups and sodalities that harken back to a time when Catholic churches in Rhode Island were packed on Sundays. They include an Altar Servers Guild in which boys are expected to special prayers every day, and the Rosa Mystica Girls Society, in which girls are asked to offer a ministry of hospitality. There is also a monthly Young Adults’ group meeting.

The website also provides a brief look at the richness of the parish’s history. It quotes the late Bishop Russel McVinney’s description of St. Mary’s on its 1953 centenary as an “illustrious and venerable parish, that bespeaks the vibrant dynamic faith of the Catholics of this area,” venerable for its  “distinguished record of Catholic loyalty and devotedness” and  illustrious  for “the stalwart faith of its people.”

“A full parochial life with catechism, sacramental preparation, devotions, and groups of formation for the youth is offered at St. Mary’s,” wrote the website’s editor.  “We live in the hope that one day, by the grace of God, we will closely resemble the description of the parish given just sixty-five years ago.”  

“It will never close now,” Forte told WPRI News ...
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Offline Nishant Xavier

Re: Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2019, 05:29:50 AM »
He Makes All Things New – Secular News Report on TLM in Providence, RI April 2, 2019
Posted by Tantumblogo in awesomeness, Basics, episcopate, fightback, General Catholic, Glory, Grace, Latin Mass, priests, Restoration, thanksgiving, Tradition, true leadership, Virtue.
trackback https://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2019/04/02/he-makes-all-things-new-secular-news-report-on-tlm-in-providence-ri/

"Former Superior of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP) Father John Berg is highlighted in a local TV report about the restoration of a parish in Providence, Rhode Island after it switched from the inefficacious “church of accompaniment” model to that of Holy Mother Church – e.g., the traditional practice of the Faith.  A parish that was headed for closure is now growing and expecting a bright future with large families and devout souls:



Some thoughts – they obviously visited during Mass on Laetare Sunday. What a blessing to have such a beautiful church which helps focus the mind on our eternal end and the great gifts of the Church and her Saints.  The church still needs some restoration – an altar rail and probably a proper baptistery among other things.  Nevertheless, they have some wonderful material to work with.  Would that we were so fortunate  here locally, but perhaps one day we will be.  Also, I appreciated the comment from one gentleman about the fundamental difference between a Novus Ordo parish offering a TLM or two – as beneficial and wonderful as that is – and a parish dedicated to the entire traditional practice of the Faith in all its forms and with all the manifold benefits that brings.  So true, so true.

Speaking of the future and the local Latin Mass parish Mater Dei, it was reported this past Sunday that Mater Dei is expected to have 2500 souls attending on Sunday within 7 or 8 years, if not sooner.  Wow.  That will be interesting.  I still think that indicates sufficient “demand” for another TLM parish, but I don’t see the bishop queueing up to ask my opinion on the matter anytime soon.

Our eternal Holy Mother Church will be restored, one way or another (either the Church will return to her true nature after this generation of charlatans and self-interested grifters passes, or Christ will come again).  I prefer the former, but may His will be done!

Good on Bishop Tobin for bringing a full TLM parish back to New England.  May there be many more."
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Online Stubborn

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Re: Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2019, 06:34:12 AM »
Quote from: XavierSem on April 05, 2019, 02:58:12 AM
Thoughts on this event?
I actually gave this some thought and conclude that at least for now, in celebrating the True Mass they're not performing it's sacrilegious mockery - which makes this a very good thing, even if many of the congregation are for the time being, confused. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2019, 08:26:14 AM »
Quote from: XavierSem on April 05, 2019, 02:58:12 AM
A wonderful victory. The TLM continues to benefit the whole Church and re-vitalizes Catholic life in the parishes that promote it.

This crisis is not predominantly about the Mass but about the faith ... something which you have not heeded from the teaching of Archbishop Lefebvre himself.  Honestly, you're only one step removed from poche.

You see, things like this can do more harm than good.  It can lull the faithful into complacency that the Novus Ordo is in fact Catholic when the TLM is placed in front of it as a facade.  I still for the life of me can't figure out why you don't go FSSP but persist in your schism.  Were you kicked out of FSSP for inappropriate behavior?

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Parish saved from closure through the TLM!
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2019, 08:32:18 AM »
This is why I hold that JP2 did more harm than Bergoglio.  True Catholics recognize Bergoglio for the non-Catholic fraud that he is, but JP2 and B16 had people fooled because they presented a facade of Catholicism.

JP2 upheld Traditional Catholic MORAL teaching very strongly.  So many well-meaning Catholics were duped into thinking that he was orthodox, and more readily swallowed the heresies of religious indifferentism that he pushed left and right.

B16 preached in Latin and played the part of a conservative, but he was as Modernist as they came.  But people were more inclined to swallow the Modernist aspects of his teaching and less likely to detect them when presented to them alongside of actual Catholic teaching.

You hide the bitter medicine inside of something sweet and delicious, to hide the taste, to get a child to swallow.  That's what JP2 and B16 did.

And the TLM in the Novus Ordo is the same thing.  You can have a Latin Mass but then find the priest getting up there injecting all manner of Modernist thinking into his sermons, which the people could readily confuse for Catholicism since it is being delivered in the Catholics context of the TLM.

There is LITERALLY no such thing as pure evil.  Pure evil by definition (quite literally) does not exist.  Everything that exists has some good in it, some truth.  So simply because the Novus Ordo in the TLM exhibits some truth, this does not mean that it is integrally Catholic.  You can find even Anglican who have a Traditional-looking liturgy (the "High Church" ones) ... but it's infested with their heresy and schism.  And ironically, the MORE good there is in something, the more dangerous it is, because it's more effective at delivering the evil that comes along with it.  If something is 99% Catholic, the 1% non-Catholic can easily be injected into someone's mind.  And that's where the damage is done.  Then you add another % here, another there, and before you know it, the frog of Catholic faith has been boiled to death.
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