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Offline poche

Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2019, 01:25:37 AM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on April 15, 2019, 05:19:06 PM
Randomly wondering what heresies Pope Michael holds to.  I mean, his claim is obviously ridiculous.  But what heresy is he guilty of?  
One error of 'Pope Michael' is the declaration that he is the Pope. 
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Offline forlorn

Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2019, 06:21:04 AM »
Quote from: poche on April 18, 2019, 01:25:37 AM
One error of 'Pope Michael' is the declaration that he is the Pope.
That's called circular reasoning Poche.
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Offline Emitte Lucem Tuam

Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2019, 07:33:17 PM »
Wow...just out of curiosity I looked up the Palmarians on their website and their “cathedral”/“vatican” is absolutely beautiful.  The vestments alone, in one of their “pontifical mass” videos must be worth tens of millions of dollars.  Where in the world did such a group build and accuмulate such wealth - just being “a cult”?   The building itself is absolutely amazing and, yes, beautiful.  
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Offline forlorn

Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2019, 07:37:15 PM »

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Since 1983 the Palmarian Church has drastically reformed its rites and its liturgy, which previously had been styled in the Tridentine form. The Palmarian liturgy was reduced to almost solely the Eucharistic words of consecration. The See of El Palmar de Troya has also declared the Real Presence of the Virgin Mary in the sacred host and the bodily assumption into heaven of St. Joseph to be dogmas of the Catholic faith. By 2000, they had their own Palmarian version of the Bible, revised by Domínguez on claimed prophetic authority and a product of the Second Palmarian Council, also known as the Palmarian synod. For these reasons and their strict rules allowing no communication with people outside of the faith, other Catholics consider the Palmarian Church to be heretical and cult followers.

It gets weirder
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2019, 07:43:35 PM »
Is Michael's claim to be Pope *heretical* though?  I mean, I grant that its schismatic (at least materially, I won't judge his heart) but don't you have to actually deny a dogma to be heretical?

I've seen certain people in certain places call Sedevacantism heresy and that's confusing as well.  Wouldn't the issue there be schism?
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