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One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
« on: April 15, 2019, 01:42:12 PM »
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  • Does anyone know much about the Palmarian "Catholic" Church?

    I was researching Archbishop Thuc's lineage and found these guys.

    Scrolling through their website kind of creeped me out. They are wayyy out there. It's sad.

    https://www.palmarianchurch.org/

    https://www.instagram.com/carmelitas_de_la_santa_faz/


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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 01:46:03 PM »
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  • Scrolling through their website kind of creeped me out.
    That's a good sign.
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis


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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #2 on: April 15, 2019, 02:04:59 PM »
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  • "Unlike most traditionalist groups with roots in the Roman Catholic Church, the Palmarian Catholic Church does not use the Tridentine Mass Order, but a very brief version which is thought to include ”the essential parts” of that rite.
    Nevertheless, in his first papal decrees in 1978, Palmarian Pope Gregory XVII (1946-2005) declared that the only rite that should be used in the Palmarian Catholic Church was the so-called Tridentine Mass, promulgated in 1570 by Pius V. Shortly thereafter, however, he made changes in the rite and introduced several new elements, and, by 1980, he referred to the rite as Latin-Tridentine-Palmarian.
    A much greater change came on October 9, 1983, when Gregory XVIII promulgated a new, much briefer Mass Order, which is concentrated to offertory, consecration and sacrificial communion. Making it very brief, about five minutes long, each cleric could and should read several masses a day; in fact, they say turns of Masses, not individual ones."

    "According to Palmarian doctrine, the body, soul and blood of Christ and Mary are present in the consecrated bread and wine."

    5 Minute "Mass"

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #3 on: April 15, 2019, 04:50:17 PM »
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  • That's pretty wacky!

    His Holiness Pope Peter III! What happened to Peter II?

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #4 on: April 15, 2019, 05:12:48 PM »
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  • The Lord in His Providence will always make sure to make Anti-Popes clear to the faithful by letting them teach obvious heresy. If these Palmarians and other false claimants taught only true Catholic doctrine, many more souls would mistakenly follow them. 


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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #5 on: April 15, 2019, 05:17:31 PM »
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  • Reading through their site reminds me of another group of heretic schismatics I encountered, who blasphemously claimed that Our Lady was the first person of the Trinity and that the God of the Old Testament was a different false god. I stumbled onto it just by browsing Fatima sites actually, someone must've accidentally linked to the heretic's site because it had pages on the Fatima Apparitions, without noticing what the rest of the site was about. 

    There really are a lot of crazy blatantly heretical groups around these days. 

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #6 on: April 15, 2019, 05:19:06 PM »
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  • The Lord in His Providence will always make sure to make Anti-Popes clear to the faithful by letting them teach obvious heresy. If these Palmarians and other false claimants taught only true Catholic doctrine, many more souls would mistakenly follow them.
    Randomly wondering what heresies Pope Michael holds to.  I mean, his claim is obviously ridiculous.  But what heresy is he guilty of?  

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #7 on: April 15, 2019, 05:48:36 PM »
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  • Reading through their site reminds me of another group of heretic schismatics I encountered, who blasphemously claimed that Our Lady was the first person of the Trinity and that the God of the Old Testament was a different false god. I stumbled onto it just by browsing Fatima sites actually, someone must've accidentally linked to the heretic's site because it had pages on the Fatima Apparitions, without noticing what the rest of the site was about.

    There really are a lot of crazy blatantly heretical groups around these days.
    was that website called "our lady is god" or something?


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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #8 on: April 15, 2019, 06:23:45 PM »
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  • Finally!  A crazier cult than OLMC!  Let's buy Pablo a one way ticket to Spain!  He can exorcize their demons, and maybe even become pope!

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #9 on: April 15, 2019, 08:01:14 PM »
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  • was that website called "our lady is god" or something?
    Yeah. I honestly wondered was it a parody site because it was a very 90s style site with overdramatic and almost satirically zealous writing, with no explanation given whatsoever as to why their "traditional Catholic beliefs" can't be found anywhere except their site. 

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    « Reply #10 on: April 15, 2019, 08:20:43 PM »
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  • Randomly wondering what heresies Pope Michael holds to.  I mean, his claim is obviously ridiculous.  But what heresy is he guilty of?  
    I don't even know how I'd find out his beliefs, does he even have a website? All I could find was a pathetic Twitter account where he just remarks on his day and posts pictures(and even opinions on traffic etiquette). But for now we can go with the fact he was elected by laypeople. Sure, one could argue that valid Cardinals are hard to come by, but for his own ordination and consecration to have been valid, he must recognise all those ordinated and consecrated in the same way, of which there are many. And yet he couldn't get ANY other traditional Priests to attend his election, much less vote for him. So from that alone we can conclude he is a false Pope. 


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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #11 on: April 15, 2019, 11:19:50 PM »
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  • Yeah. I honestly wondered was it a parody site because it was a very 90s style site with overdramatic and almost satirically zealous writing, with no explanation given whatsoever as to why their "traditional Catholic beliefs" can't be found anywhere except their site.
    I stumbled on that about a year ago. They had graphics about how the Rosary is evil, depicting it as a pentagram. Ridiculous.
    http://ourladysresistance.org/141-years.html
    Another website I stumbled across. They believe we haven't had a Pope since Pius IX!

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #12 on: April 15, 2019, 11:24:46 PM »
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  • Finally!  A crazier cult than OLMC!  Let's buy Pablo a one way ticket to Spain!  He can exorcize their demons, and maybe even become pope!
    I'm relatively unfamiliar with the situation at OLMC. I get the gist of what's going on, but I don't know who Pablo is. Can you give me brief summary?

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #13 on: April 16, 2019, 09:53:59 AM »
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  • Yep, the Palmarian group has some preternatural activity tied to them.

    There are witnessed examples of Gregory XVII actually levitating while saying Mass.  Some weird stuff.

    Bishop Thuc is often maligned for consecrating these clowns, and he should be to some extent, but he did the consecrations before Clemente Dominguez came out as "Pope", due to some apparitions they were having and in which true preternatural phenomena were taking place.  He renounced them as soon as he declared himself Pope.  Thuc was actually encouraged to ordain/consecrate them at the insistence of a priest who was at the time a professor at Econe.  Reportedly this priest initially asked +Lefebvre to do it, and the Archbishop allegedly told them to go visit Thuc.  So Thuc didn't do it primarily on his own initiative.  It's clear that the poor man was easily influenced, probably having been deeply traumatized by the murder of his family by the Communists ... but that's no evidence that he was insane.  I've known a lot of people to do strange/imprudent things from time to time ... without having become insane.

    In any case, the Palmarian group holds that the real Paul VI was drugged and held hostage, and they consider him a martyr.  Right before Paul VI was allegedly killed, he is said to have bilocated to Clemente Dominguez and appointed him his successor.

    Strange stuff indeed.

    Dominguez was apparently some insurance salesman who went to the apparition site and then suddenly started having apparitions himself.  Some people say he was a notorious public homosexual before all that happened.

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    Re: One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic... and Palmarian
    « Reply #14 on: April 16, 2019, 11:02:38 AM »
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