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Offline forlorn

Re: Avoid the Novus Ordo Mass, yes. Not every Catholic who attends it!
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2019, 07:43:43 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 20, 2019, 07:39:07 PM
The thread was about the new mass but also conciliar catholics, which Matthew mentioned in the 1st post, which includes indult catholics, many of whom go to both the new mass and the latin mass.  
And then I made a post about NOers to which you responded. And then you went off on a huge tangent about Indults and put words in my mouth about them. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Avoid the Novus Ordo Mass, yes. Not every Catholic who attends it!
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2019, 08:06:22 PM »
Indult catholics ARE novus ordo catholics.  One day they go to the new mass; another day they go to the indult.  Maybe they go to the indult mostly.  But they are all infected by new rome's modernism; they all have doubtful priests; they all have doubtful sacraments; they all accept V2.  Some to a lesser degree than others, but still.  They share more similarities than differences.
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Online ByzCat3000

Re: Avoid the Novus Ordo Mass, yes. Not every Catholic who attends it!
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2019, 08:25:06 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on April 20, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
I've never mentioned the Indult at all except to ask you why you were talking about them. The thread was originally about the Novus Ordo Mass, as it says in the title, and it was you who responded to me, not the reverse, so don't pretend like it was me who dragged the conversation off-topic.
It was originally my fault, because I asked Matthew why he thought it was better to stay home than to go to an Indult mass such as an FSSP.
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Offline forlorn

Re: Avoid the Novus Ordo Mass, yes. Not every Catholic who attends it!
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2019, 08:32:50 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on April 19, 2019, 02:54:29 PM
Agree completely. I was honestly shocked and horrified when I first heard people declare that Catholics who attended Novus Ordo masses were damned schismatics. For the average person they had no reason to believe they should've ran for the hills after Vatican 2. It was, and still is, very possible to go to a Novus Ordo Mass every Sunday as a devout Catholic professing all the dogmas of the Faith, and not realise there's anything wrong with the rite at all. Sure these days we have access to constant streams of news on scandals in the Church and the latest crazy outbursts of Francis, so it's much harder to be ignorant of the Crisis today, but it was very possible for the first few decades of the Crisis and still possible for some today.

And even if someone was aware of the Crisis but truly believed the Novus Ordo rite was valid and proper, and held the Catholic faith in whole, I don't think they're a heretic or a schismatic or the like. In error and needing correction? From our view, and we should endeavour to do that. But some heretic or schismatic damned to Hell, as the Dimonds and co. would tell us? Hardly.
Just going to quote my own first post to show how I only said rite and Mass about a dozen times, and there's no way it could be misinterpreted as referring to or including Indults. 

Your Indult strawman tangent still has 0 relevance whatsoever to our argument no matter how much you try to put words in my mouth and twist what I said. 
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