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Offline Cantarella

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #55 on: December 25, 2018, 10:40:05 PM »
Quote from: poche on December 20, 2018, 04:59:54 AM
If his ignorance is invincible then it is possible for him to be saved by the baptism of desire.

This has nothing to do with invincible ignorance or baptism of desire.

Why every single time the salvation of a non-Catholic is concerned, these two notions are brought up promptly as somehow interconnected? They are actually different concepts.

Ben Shaphiro's claim to salvific righteousness is based upon his observance of the Mosaic Law. He made the reference very explicitly during the interview. Apparently, his strict observance of the Ten Commandments and the Jєωιѕн 613 mitzvot, gains him entrance to Heaven, as was proposed in the Old Testament.

Remember, according to the new religion emanating from the Vatican, Jews are somehow heirs of Heaven without needing conversion (and the 2,000 year old conduct of Holy Mother Church in relation to the Jews has been wrong all along).
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Offline poche

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #56 on: December 25, 2018, 10:43:02 PM »
Quote from: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 25, 2018, 05:51:00 PM

The following excerpt from the Baltimore Catechism is the creeping heresy, among others, that was subtly infused into this Americanist "catechism". The slithery that is you conveniently omitted it:

Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true

Church?

A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that

person:

1.(1) Has been validly baptized;

2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and

3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

# 2 states that if the person believes and practices his false religion of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, New Age, etc. to be the "true religion", he can be saved. This is absolutely against numerous ex cathedra decrees by various popes, which affirm that no person outside of the Catholic Church can be saved. Such persons, as specified by these same infallible decrees, are Jews, heretics, Muslims, schismatics, pagans, non-believers, etc, who are damned eternally.

You're insidious. St. Ligouri didn't say Hell is almost empty. You said it.
St. Ligouri is communicating the fact that people, who don't believe in Hell, usually commit the most heinous crimes because they think there will be no consequences for their sins, thus, these very sins warrant them eternal perdition more than anyone. That doesn't mean people who commit lesser evils, but still die in the state of mortal sin, don't go to hell.
I did not intend to say that St Alphonsus Ligouri said that Hell was almost empty. It is alleged that Bishop Barron said that. I say that that is a dangerous thing to be saying because St Alphonsus Ligouri said that those who are most likely to go to Hell are those who did not believe in its existence. If hell is almost empty it is almost as if it did not exist. 
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Offline poche

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #57 on: December 25, 2018, 10:50:49 PM »
Quote from: Cantarella on December 25, 2018, 10:40:05 PM
This has nothing to do with invincible ignorance or baptism of desire.

Why every single time the salvation of a non-Catholic is concerned, these two notions are brought up promptly as somehow interconnected? They are actually different concepts.

Ben Shaphiro's claim to salvific righteousness is based upon his observance of the Mosaic Law. He made the reference very explicitly during the interview. Apparently, his strict observance of the Ten Commandments and the Jєωιѕн 613 mitzvot, gains him entrance to Heaven, as was proposed in the Old Testament.

Remember, according to the new religion emanating from the Vatican, Jews are somehow heirs of Heaven without needing conversion (and the 2,000 year old conduct of Holy Mother Church in relation to the Jews has been wrong all along).
Any claim by Mr Shapiro's is based on his own ignorance. I think we should pray for his conversion every day and leave the judgement to God.
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Offline Cantarella

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #58 on: December 25, 2018, 11:21:33 PM »
Quote from: poche on December 25, 2018, 10:50:49 PM
Any claim by Mr Shapiro's is based on his own ignorance. I think we should pray for his conversion every day and leave the judgement to God.

I agree that we should pray for his conversion every day and leave the ultimate judgment to God. However, from what we observe, we can say that, at present time, he is neither an "invincible ignorant" of our Holy Religion; nor he is a catechumen.
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Offline Conspiracy_Factist

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #59 on: December 25, 2018, 11:22:59 PM »
Quote from: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 25, 2018, 05:51:00 PM

The following excerpt from the Baltimore Catechism is the creeping heresy, among others, that was subtly infused into this Americanist "catechism". The slithery that is you conveniently omitted it:

Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true

Church?

A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that

person:

1.(1) Has been validly baptized;

2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and

3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

# 2 states that if the person believes and practices his false religion of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, New Age, etc. to be the "true religion", he can be saved. This is absolutely against numerous ex cathedra decrees by various popes, which affirm that no person outside of the Catholic Church can be saved. Such persons, as specified by these same infallible decrees, are Jews, heretics, Muslims, schismatics, pagans, non-believers, etc, who are damned eternally.

# 2 can't be talking about judaism,muslims,buddhists since they are not baptised...I'm assuming it's referring to protestants..no?..
St. Thomas Aquinas, De Veritate, 14, A. 11, ad 1: Objection- “It is possible that someone may be brought up in the forest, or among wolves; such a man cannot explicitly know anything about the faith.  St. Thomas replies- It is the characteristic of Divine Providence to provide every man with what is necessary for salvation… provided on his part there is no hindrance.  In the case of a man who seeks good and shuns evil, by the leading of natural reason, God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him
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