Author Topic: Menzingen Has Spoken (Read 7017 times)

Diego · « **Reply #15 on:** April 17, 2012, 10:06:24 AM »

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In an exchange with a Facebook friend of Max Krah, 'Dumb Ox' stated

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Certainly you have no idea, Alice.

No idea at all.

By the way, Alice; as you publicly admit that you are a Facebook Friend of The Crow, and as you also raise the subject of "invitation to 'Like'" items posted on his Facebook account, I trust that a fine Catholic lady such as yourself will not mind me asking whether, following The Crow, you also 'liked' the full-frontal photograph of the naked lady posing on the hotel balcony?

She is a stunner isn't she!

Do you wonder, as I wonder, whether the nuns and teenage Catholic girls at the SSPX school in Germany that The Crow manages should be warned about The Crow's Facebook "likings" of such things as the "erotic sadomasochistic" film, as Nine-and-a-Half Weeks is described at Wikipedia, photographs of naked women posing for the camera, or even the Agent Provocateur "sexy" Lingerie company that advertises "whips"?

Should we not tell them, Alice? The Crow is a ""really nice guy", after all.

Is this Alice the same Alice from Oklahoma who posts as ACS, nicknamed "University Womyn," and is coddled at Ignis Ardens despite her feminist and anti-Catholic postings?

John Grace · « **Reply #16 on:** April 17, 2012, 10:22:16 AM »

A pertinent post here.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9149&st=50

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Dear Brother Anthony,

"This too incredible to believe. I refuse to believe it, unless I hear it from Bishop Fellay himself. This statement is tantamount to a betrayal to the Catholic resistance against a council that has been the cause of the loss of countless souls. To take a position of apathy would be treacherous to what the Church has always done, that is, condemn pernicious errors!"

I am reluctant to believe it myself; I do not want to believe it but, nevertheless, facts are facts and it is difficult not to draw certain conclusions from them.

Fact 1.
The following words were written by Peter Wensierski:
"The letter makes clear that conflicting positions on Vatican II is 'not decisive' for the future of the Catholic Church. In short, the Society of St. Pius X is no longer demanding that the Vatican II reforms be repealed".

Fact 2.
Peter Wensierski is a friend and close collaborator of Fr. Pfluger and The Crow.

Fact 3.
Bishop Fellay has welcomed and encouraged the close collaboration between Wensierski, Fr. Pfluger and "He who shall remain nameless".

Fact 4.
The level of collaboration and trust between the powers-that-be at Menzingen and Peter Wensierski extends to the level of providing to him the content of private communication between Bishop Williamson and Menzingen for Wensierski to make use of in his journalism.

Fact 5.
It was to Wensierski that the powers-that-be at Menzingen described Bishop Williamson in terms of being "a first class provocateur" who "has always had strange ideas", someone who "exaggerates", someone who "is not a scholar", someone who is "a ticking time bomb", someone likened to "uranium", someone who "doesn't study the docuмents", someone with "Parkinson's Disease", and so on.

Fact 6.
In contrast Fr. Pfluger describes Wensierski as someone who is "honest and upright" and who is "most helpful for the Society".

I am reluctantly forced to conclude that Wensierski has indeed been informed of the content of Bishop Fellay's response to NewChurch and that Wensierski is merely acting in his capacity of being "most helpful for the Society".

John Grace · « **Reply #17 on:** April 17, 2012, 11:45:09 AM »

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"This too incredible to believe. I refuse to believe it, unless I hear it from Bishop Fellay himself.

This comment from Brother Anthony is a good example though 'Dumb Ox' states the facts for him. The fact that Max Krah still holds a position in the SSPX is revealing in itself. Bernadette is correct to a degree in her analysis earlier in the thread.

Wessex · « **Reply #18 on:** April 17, 2012, 11:47:08 AM »

I said at the time for a lawyer to behave in such a way was hardly professional but as he was hardly out of his twenties (and still going to school!) there seems to be a new craze among young people to saturate the web with all kinds of links and associations in order to maximise the 'benefits' of networking. This is quite the opposite to keeping one's life strictly private so as not to harm one's good name and embarrass one's clients, family and friends. For Menzingen to employ the services of such questionable people may be a surprising relaxation of a code of practice to copy what is going on in other religious institutions or is the frequent problem of having favourites at court that acquire an aura of indispensibility.

John Grace · « **Reply #19 on:** April 17, 2012, 12:02:37 PM »

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9149&st=50

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Fact 2.
Peter Wensierski is a friend and close collaborator of Fr. Pfluger and The Crow.

Fact 3.
Bishop Fellay has welcomed and encouraged the close collaboration between Wensierski, Fr. Pfluger and "He who shall remain nameless".

Fact 4.
The level of collaboration and trust between the powers-that-be at Menzingen and Peter Wensierski extends to the level of providing to him the content of private communication between Bishop Williamson and Menzingen for Wensierski to make use of in his journalism.

Fact 5.
It was to Wensierski that the powers-that-be at Menzingen described Bishop Williamson in terms of being "a first class provocateur" who "has always had strange ideas", someone who "exaggerates", someone who "is not a scholar", someone who is "a ticking time bomb", someone likened to "uranium", someone who "doesn't study the docuмents", someone with "Parkinson's Disease", and so on.

Fact 6.
In contrast Fr. Pfluger describes Wensierski as someone who is "honest and upright" and who is "most helpful for the Society".

I am reluctantly forced to conclude that Wensierski has indeed been informed of the content of Bishop Fellay's response to NewChurch and that Wensierski is merely acting in his capacity of being "most helpful for the Society".

Dumb Ox, these are certainly not facts. At best allegations. Once again omit references for your "facts". Without any sources it is difficult to accept what you write.

The only one I could find was a Der Spiegel article for no. 5. However, you mis-quoted some of the content (first class provocateur and always had strange ideas were not direct quotes from Fr. Pfluger) and you conveniently omitted he also points out that the bishop has many merits, and that he shouldn't be "exiled to the Moon." from the article.

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Dear Henry V,

They are indeed facts, not allegations.

Copies of the various source texts sit in front of me as I write.

Whether you personally wish to accept it or not is not my concern nor my problem.

This 'Henry V' is unbelievable. Well stated, Dumb Ox. :applause:

Are we to take it 'Henry V' is happy with a 'sell out'? It's worrying he overlooks the antics of Krah.

I'm not surprised Krah is still in the job when you have people like 'Henry V'.

If 'Henry V' wishes to ignore facts that is his problem. Shame on him if supports Krah.The same 'Henry V' who stated that "disobedience is the vice of the Irish." I stand corrected but he appears very anti-Irish.

John Grace · « **Reply #20 on:** April 17, 2012, 12:14:55 PM »

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The same 'Henry V' who stated that "disobedience is the vice of the Irish." I stand corrected but he appears very anti-Irish.

Not relevant to thread so can be scrapped by moderator if he wishes. It's amazing how Henry V can overlook certain matters and has audacity to state Dumb Ox is making allegations when he is presenting FACTS.

This 'Henry V' is obviously seeking to provoke people.

John Grace · « **Reply #21 on:** April 17, 2012, 12:25:26 PM »

Will Henry V comment on this? He was rather quick to say Dumb Ox was making allegations yet overlooked the 'likes' of the Menzingen lawyer and on board of a girls school.

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Certainly you have no idea, Alice.

No idea at all.

By the way, Alice; as you publicly admit that you are a Facebook Friend of The Crow, and as you also raise the subject of "invitation to 'Like'" items posted on his Facebook account, I trust that a fine Catholic lady such as yourself will not mind me asking whether, following The Crow, you also 'liked' the full-frontal photograph of the naked lady posing on the hotel balcony?

She is a stunner isn't she!

Do you wonder, as I wonder, whether the nuns and teenage Catholic girls at the SSPX school in Germany that The Crow manages should be warned about The Crow's Facebook "likings" of such things as the "erotic sadomasochistic" film, as Nine-and-a-Half Weeks is described at Wikipedia, photographs of naked women posing for the camera, or even the Agent Provocateur "sexy" Lingerie company that advertises "whips"?

Should we not tell them, Alice? The Crow is a ""really nice guy", after all.

Caraffa · « **Reply #22 on:** April 17, 2012, 12:27:01 PM »

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The same 'Henry V' who stated that "disobedience is the vice of the Irish." I stand corrected but he appears very anti-Irish.

That's a strange statement given that the Irish were one of the most, if not thee most Ultramontane countries and people.

John Grace · « **Reply #23 on:** April 17, 2012, 12:29:54 PM »

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The same 'Henry V' who stated that "disobedience is the vice of the Irish." I stand corrected but he appears very anti-Irish.

That's a strange statement given that the Irish were one of the most, if not thee most Ultramontane countries and people.

Like the comment by diego regarding ACS this is not relevant for thread. A discussion for another day. Henry V took issue with the Irish asking about Krahgate' We are not sheeple or fools.

I'm more concerned as to why this 'Henry V' has dismissed facts and stated they are allegations.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #24 on:** April 17, 2012, 01:00:40 PM »

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We had Ashmolean and others on Ignis Ardens laugh at and mock the Krahgate team. They ought to hang their head in shame if they have any shame.
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That is debatable. People were claiming that Crow is Jєωιѕн. Ashmo was for ACCURATE facts when making legitimate criticisms.

That important distinction went over the heads of the those who decided to call Ashmo a mason, Jew, etc. without one shred of proof, and despite assurances to the contrary of people who assist at Mass with him.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #25 on:** April 17, 2012, 01:03:53 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

I said at the time for a lawyer to behave in such a way was hardly professional but as he was hardly out of his twenties (and still going to school!) there seems to be a new craze among young people to saturate the web with all kinds of links and associations in order to maximise the 'benefits' of networking. This is quite the opposite to keeping one's life strictly private so as not to harm one's good name and embarrass one's clients, family and friends. For Menzingen to employ the services of such questionable people may be a surprising relaxation of a code of practice to copy what is going on in other religious institutions or is the frequent problem of having favourites at court that acquire an aura of indispensibility.

I agree.

John Grace · « **Reply #26 on:** April 17, 2012, 02:07:11 PM »

'Henry V' is unbelievable.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9149&st=50

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QUOTE (Dumb Ox @ Apr 17 2012, 05:41 PM)
Dear Henry V,

They are indeed facts, not allegations.

Copies of the various source texts sit in front of me as I write.

Whether you personally wish to accept it or not is not my concern nor my problem.

No Dumb Ox, they are allegations. Although some, depending on your intent could be considered calumnious.

To take the second one, what constitutes friendship? The mere fact that Fr. Pfluger gave an interview to Wensierski? What is Fr. Pfluger collaborating in exactly? And by collaborator what definition do you intend:to work jointly with others or to assist an enemy.

The problem is Dumb Ox your 'sources' do not support your allegations. I'm just making the reader aware of that fact.

I wonder which cleric has asked 'Henry V' to attack 'Dumb Ox? Will there be an attempt to dismiss facts and truth as "internet rumours"? Henry V is unbelievable.Shame on him. I suppose it is to be expected from those who sold out. Perhaps 'Henry V' should go to Papa Stronsay with the traitors there.

The likes of Dumb Ox is working for good of SSPX. That rubbish from Henry V is something else. It is he who is making out Dumb Ox to be wrong.

John Grace · « **Reply #27 on:** April 17, 2012, 02:17:18 PM »

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Dear Henry V,

We would much prefer that The Crow come here himself and attempt to offer a defence than to hide behind your pants. You do not make a suitable mouth-piece for him.

Fair play to 'Dumb Ox'. He has my support.

John Grace · « **Reply #28 on:** April 17, 2012, 02:21:59 PM »

Henry V appears to be overlooking this.This is how it appears any ways. He would rather try portray Dumb Ox as a liar.

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Certainly you have no idea, Alice.

No idea at all.

By the way, Alice; as you publicly admit that you are a Facebook Friend of The Crow, and as you also raise the subject of "invitation to 'Like'" items posted on his Facebook account, I trust that a fine Catholic lady such as yourself will not mind me asking whether, following The Crow, you also 'liked' the full-frontal photograph of the naked lady posing on the hotel balcony?

She is a stunner isn't she!

Do you wonder, as I wonder, whether the nuns and teenage Catholic girls at the SSPX school in Germany that The Crow manages should be warned about The Crow's Facebook "likings" of such things as the "erotic sadomasochistic" film, as Nine-and-a-Half Weeks is described at Wikipedia, photographs of naked women posing for the camera, or even the Agent Provocateur "sexy" Lingerie company that advertises "whips"?

Should we not tell them, Alice? The Crow is a ""really nice guy", after all.

John Grace · « **Reply #29 on:** April 17, 2012, 02:28:48 PM »

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I suppose it is to be expected from those who sold out. Perhaps 'Henry V' should go to Papa Stronsay with the traitors there.

Ok. I go too far here but I find Henry V unbelievable even though he is presented with facts. Worse some SSPX attendee are getting. It would be laughable if situation was not so serious.