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Offline John Grace

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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2012, 02:32:18 PM »
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    People were claiming that Crow is Jєωιѕн


    With respect even Krah never denied being Jєωιѕн but questions remain.

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    « Reply #31 on: April 17, 2012, 02:40:55 PM »
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  • It certainly sends out a wrong message as it seems Henry V is overlooking the antics of Krah or the revelation about his Facebook page. This man is employed by the SSPX and it is a scandal. Why is Henry V so dismissive and quick to brand Dumb Ox a liar? Is this the best they can do? Dismiss facts and truth as "allegations" and "internet rumours"?


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    « Reply #32 on: April 17, 2012, 02:51:45 PM »
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  • If Henry V or others over on IA wish to dismiss facts it is their problem. Same for any SSPX cleric. The facts are staring them in the face. No point in getting worked up if they are unable to face the truth.

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    « Reply #33 on: April 17, 2012, 04:59:13 PM »
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  • Henry V has posted this on Ignis.

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/04/for-record-latest-tornielli-fellays.html
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    Just mentioned by Andrea Tornielli for La Stampa:

    Lefebvrists: the positive response has arrived
    17.09.2012 (1900 GMT - 2100 Rome)

    The Superior of the Society of Saint Pius X has signed the doctrinal preamble proposed by the Holy See, even if with some slight modifications

    ANDREA TORNIELLI
    CITTÀ DEL VATICANO

    The response of the Society of Saint Pius X has arrived in the Vatican and it is positive: according to the informal information gathered by Vatican Insider, Bishop Bernard Fellay would have signed the doctrinal preamble that the Holy See had proposed last September as a condition to reach full communion and canonical regularization.

    An official confirmation of the received response should take place in the next few hours. From what has been learned, the text of the preamble sent by Fellay proposed some non-substantial modifications regarding the version delivered by the Vatican authorities: as it may be recalled, the same Ecclesia Dei Commission had not willed to make the docuмent (of [only] two, yet complex, pages) public, precisely because the possibility remained of introducing eventual small modifications which would not, nonetheless, distort its meaning.

    The preamble contains, subtantially, the "professio fidei", the profession of faith [Rorate note 1] required of those who are put in charge of an ecclesiastical position. And it thus establishes a "religious submission of will and intellect" be given to the teachings that the Pope and the College of Bishops "enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium", even if not proclaimed and defined in a dogmatic sense, as in the case of the greater part of the magisterial docuмents. The Holy See has mentioned repeatedly to her partners in the Society of Saint Pius X that signing the doctrinal preamble would not mean putting and end "to the legitimate discussion, study, and theological explanations of specific expressions or formulations present in the docuмents of the Second Vatican Council."

    The text of the preamble, with the modifications proposed by Fellay, and signed by him as Superior of the Society of Saint Pius X, will be presented to Benedict XVI, who, on the day following his 85th birthday and on the even of the seventh anniversary of his election, receives a positive response from the Lefebvrists. A response long expected and desired by him, who, in the next few weeks, will put an end to the wound opened in 1988 with the illegitimate episcopal ordinations celebrated by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

    It is not ruled out that Fellay's response be examined by the Cardinals of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in the next "Feria Quarta" [Wednesday] meeting, which should take place in the first half of May. Meanwhile, some further weeks will be needed so that a canonical arrangement can be established: the most probable proposal is that of establishing a "personal prelature", a legal figure introduced in the Code of Canon Law in 1983 [Rorate note 2] and up to now used only by Opus Dei. The prelate depends directly of the Holy See. The Society of Saint Pius X will continue to celebrate Mass according to the ancient Missal, and to form its priests in its seminaries. [Source, in Italian]

    Rorate note 1: Profession of faith, motu proprio Ad tuendam fidem, and CDF Doctrinal Commentary (1998)
    Rorate note 2: actually first mentioned in an official ecclesial text in the very relevant n. 10 of the Decree on the Ministry and Life of Priests of the Second Vatican Council, Presbyterorum Ordinis: "Present norms of incardination and excardination should be so revised that, while this ancient institution still remains intact, they will better correspond to today's pastoral needs. Where a real apostolic spirit requires it, not only should a better distribution of priests be brought about but there should also be favored such particular pastoral works as are necessary in any region or nation anywhere on earth. To accomplish this purpose there should be set up international seminaries, special personal dioceses or prelatures (vicariates), and so forth, by means of which, according to their particular statutes and always saving the right of bishops, priests may be trained and incardinated for the good of the whole Church."

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    « Reply #34 on: April 17, 2012, 05:01:53 PM »
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  • 'Dumb Ox' just added this.

    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9155
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    It will be rather explosive if it is true.

    The other three bishops recently sent to Bishop Fellay a joint letter expressing their total opposition to any deal and their complete unity of thought and action in the matter.




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    « Reply #35 on: April 18, 2012, 11:37:18 PM »
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  • I have been following this thread and other threads on the current SSPX/Rome issues on and off so I may have missed parts and may not have the full picture.

    Who is "Dumb Ox" and why are they considered a reliable source of information? I am asking purely because I honestly want to know what qualifies them as reliable and not because I am having a jab at them.

    Also who is "the Crow" and what is their story?

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    « Reply #36 on: April 20, 2012, 07:38:54 PM »
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  •  :popcorn:
    Leaving the Boyz Club of little popes. SWAK.

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    « Reply #37 on: April 20, 2012, 08:07:54 PM »
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    People were claiming that Crow is Jєωιѕн


    With respect even Krah never denied being Jєωιѕн but questions remain.


    Huh?

    I never thought the Jєωιѕнness of Krah was in question.

    Is someone saying he is not Jєωιѕн?

    Can anyone prove he is not Jєωιѕн?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #38 on: April 20, 2012, 08:45:30 PM »
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  • I would like to point out that you cannot call a Baptised person a Jew, unless you have clear proof that they are infiltrators.

    A Jew is a member of the Jєωιѕн Cult. Either in Reference to the True Jews of old which the Catholic Church is the continuation thereof, or in reference to the evil synogogue of Satan that worships the Satanic тαℓмυd, which is generally the reference.

    A Hebrew is a member of the Hebrew Race, which not all Jews belong to and many Catholics do.

    A Judean is a member of the defunct Kingdom of Judea.


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    « Reply #39 on: April 21, 2012, 10:46:30 AM »
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    I have been following this thread and other threads on the current SSPX/Rome issues on and off so I may have missed parts and may not have the full picture.

    Who is "Dumb Ox" and why are they considered a reliable source of information? I am asking purely because I honestly want to know what qualifies them as reliable and not because I am having a jab at them.

    Also who is "the Crow" and what is their story?


    The same question can be asked of 'Henry V'.



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    No Dumb Ox, they are allegations. Although some, depending on your intent could be considered calumnious.

    To take the second one, what constitutes friendship? The mere fact that Fr. Pfluger gave an interview to Wensierski? What is Fr. Pfluger collaborating in exactly? And by collaborator what definition do you intend:to work jointly with others or to assist an enemy.

    The problem is Dumb Ox your 'sources' do not support your allegations. I'm just making the reader aware of that fact.


    Who is 'Henry V' and how is he certain Dumb Ox is making allegations. It is Henry V who seems to be making allegations here.Again opening Ignis Ardens to prospect of legal action.

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    « Reply #40 on: April 21, 2012, 10:55:27 AM »
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  • What is Henry V intent here and motivation in stating what Dumb Ox wrote is "considered calumnious"?



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    « Reply #41 on: April 21, 2012, 10:55:39 AM »
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    I said at the time for a lawyer to behave in such a way was hardly professional but as he was hardly out of his twenties (and still going to school!) there seems to be a new craze among young people to saturate the web with all kinds of links and associations in order to maximise the 'benefits' of networking. This is quite the opposite to keeping one's life strictly private so as not to harm one's good name and embarrass one's clients, family and friends. For Menzingen to employ the services of such questionable people may be a surprising relaxation of a code of practice to copy what is going on in other religious institutions or is the frequent problem of having favourites at court that acquire an aura of indispensibility.


    Precise observation.

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    « Reply #42 on: April 21, 2012, 10:57:43 AM »
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    The problem is Dumb Ox your 'sources' do not support your allegations. I'm just making the reader aware of that fact.


    Henry V ignores facts so remarkable he wants readers to be aware of the facts. He is being quite nasty just as Ashmo was. Ashmo for several weeks insinuated I was involved in the New Right until Clare reluctantly explained to him I wasn't. It did ruin our family Christmas.


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    « Reply #43 on: April 21, 2012, 11:06:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zenith
    I have been following this thread and other threads on the current SSPX/Rome issues on and off so I may have missed parts and may not have the full picture.

    Who is "Dumb Ox" and why are they considered a reliable source of information? I am asking purely because I honestly want to know what qualifies them as reliable and not because I am having a jab at them.

    Also who is "the Crow" and what is their story?


    If I were Bishop Fellay, I wouldn't ignore a letter from the other three Bishops who wish the Society to remain faithful to its founder.

    "the Crow" is a reference to the Menzingen lawyer.

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    « Reply #44 on: April 21, 2012, 11:07:12 AM »
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    I'm just making the reader aware of that fact.


    Which fact?