Thank you, Songbird. I was originally frustrated with Vatican I, because I thought those behind declaring papal infallibility had gotten us into a bind, seeing as how ultramontanism gave the pope such power and authority which was, after '58, all being used to destroy the Church by the VCII popes. But now I'm beginning to see that they assumed firstly, that the pope would not be allowed by the Holy Ghost to do such things. And secondly, that if a man claiming to be pope did indeed do such things, then he was not a pope but a wolf.