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Author Topic: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020  (Read 8982 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2020, 10:10:20 AM »
Quote from: Tradman on August 02, 2020, 08:12:58 PM
I actually talked to the MC that said he caught the irregularity of the words Bishop Webster and because of that, they reconsecrated afterward.  

Sorry, but I don't believe this.  If they caught the "irregularity", then they had an obligation to notify Bishop Webster during the ceremony because the rest of the ceremony was improperly held with the assumption that Pfeiffer was already a bishop.

I doubt they caught anything.  And, even if they did, given how difficult a time Bishop Webster had with the Latin, I don't have a lot of confidence that he got it right the second time.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2020, 10:11:36 AM »
Quote from: Venantius0518 on August 03, 2020, 07:48:39 AM
They video everything, but the one thing most important to the career of Fr. Pfeiffer, the conditional consecration, they don't record?  Hmm.....

There's a good chance this never happened.  Thus, no video.
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Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2020, 10:28:55 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on August 02, 2020, 11:17:14 PM

I agree. Either "Tradman" or the MC is lying. 

Pfeifferville isn't known for keeping a low profile. They record and publish everything. Where is the super important "conditional consecration" ceremony?
It also doesn't surprise me that Fr. Pfeiffer fails to thank Ladislaus and others on CathInfo for catching this. It was actually a great favor. But of course, no gratitude.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2020, 10:51:20 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on August 03, 2020, 10:28:55 AM
I agree. Either "Tradman" or the MC is lying.

Pfeifferville isn't known for keeping a low profile. They record and publish everything. Where is the super important "conditional consecration" ceremony?
It also doesn't surprise me that Fr. Pfeiffer fails to thank Ladislaus and others on CathInfo for catching this. It was actually a great favor. But of course, no gratitude.

It would not be appropriate for him to thank CathInfo ... IF in fact things went down as he claimed, where he caught the defect immediately and had it corrected right afterward.  But I agree with Father Chazal who also seems to think that he only later became aware of it after word got back through CathInfo and/or NovusOrdo Watch (Bishop Sanborn's take).

In my mind, there was a dead giveaway when he mentioned the conditional consecration in his first sermon.  He started stuttering badly and looking down.  Just had the body language of lying.
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Offline Tradman

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Re: Live: Tonsure Minor Orders Subdeacons Deacon July 31, 2020
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2020, 11:05:15 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 03, 2020, 10:10:20 AM
Sorry, but I don't believe this.  If they caught the "irregularity", then they had an obligation to notify Bishop Webster during the ceremony because the rest of the ceremony was improperly held with the assumption that Pfeiffer was already a bishop.

I doubt they caught anything.  And, even if they did, given how difficult a time Bishop Webster had with the Latin, I don't have a lot of confidence that he got it right the second time.
I've since talked to other seminarians in order to get clarity. All were in agreement, although each had his own description. Basically, the MC caught the error and warned the bishop(s). Pfeiffer dismissed the warning and said everything was ok.  Discussion ensued. They reviewed the recording and reconsecrated.  Pfeiffer says a reconsecration was done when he spoke the following day at the sermon at the diaconate.  I agree it would be nice to see a statement from Bishop Webster but I'm no longer in doubt about whether or not Pfeiffer is a bishop.    
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