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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #255 on: October 10, 2019, 06:06:28 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 10, 2019, 05:58:00 PM
All Catholics are required to be completely dogmatic on the issue
Can you prove that logically?  I mean I figure you probably won't bother.  

I realize that ordinarily you're supposed to accept the Pope that's universally accepted.  The problem is that Francis is no more "universally accepted" than Vatican II is.  With that being said, and with all the opinions of theologians on what happens to a heretic pope, I don't see how its *impossible* for some future Trad Pope to be like "yeah actually Francis was never really Pope, he wasn't Catholic."

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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #256 on: October 10, 2019, 06:07:33 PM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on October 10, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
Just keep in mind that SJ, XavierSem, Praeter, Disco and Salsa and all the other nutty r&r people have no authority.  You aren’t in schism or heresy with any Novus Ordo Bishops so no worries.  If Frank is the pope we’re all saved.  If he’s not the pope it is the r&r people who tried to excommunicate everyone who have big troubles.
If he is the Pope, wouldn't sedevacantists who tried to anathemize people for rejecting their opinion also be in trouble?

It would seem a Novus Ordo bishop would have more meaningful authority here.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #257 on: October 10, 2019, 06:08:07 PM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 10, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Can you prove that logically?  I mean I figure you probably won't bother.  

I realize that ordinarily you're supposed to accept the Pope that's universally accepted.  The problem is that Francis is no more "universally accepted" than Vatican II is.  With that being said, and with all the opinions of theologians on what happens to a heretic pope, I don't see how its *impossible* for some future Trad Pope to be like "yeah actually Francis was never really Pope, he wasn't Catholic."
Yes: Start On page 1, and read to present.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #258 on: October 10, 2019, 06:18:58 PM »

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Yes: Start On page 1, and read to present.
Obviously Sean’s favorite book is “How to make friends and influence people”.  
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #259 on: October 10, 2019, 06:23:16 PM »
I can’t recall the last time I saw 3 consecutive posts by non Feeneyite/non sedevacantists here.
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