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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2019, 06:00:50 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 06, 2019, 05:28:31 PM
He was indignant and scandalized by Assisi, and became convinced of the need for bishops, yes.

He called the pope an antichrist, yes. But not an antipope.

“We May be obliged to believe some day...” does not mean he believed it in the present (and his recent past would suggest the opposite).
I more mean the one where he said "I do not say you cannot say this Pope is not Pope..."
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2019, 06:08:04 PM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 06, 2019, 06:00:50 PM
I more mean the one where he said "I do not say you cannot say this Pope is not Pope..."
I have no explanation for that one.

I could offer one, but it would be guessing.
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Offline hollingsworth

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2019, 06:10:04 PM »
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No.
He was closed to it until such time as the Church might possibly declare it.
Until then, it was not possible.

This is the classic reponse.  This is the "Resistance" line.  This is vintage Williamsonism.  We wait interminably until another future pope, or some kind of specially appointed conclave, or whatever, makes the call.  Meanwhile, we poor saps in the Catholic laity, (and priesthood) simply tolerate the enormities of the reigning pope.  We either like it or lump it.
I think it's all baloney.  We know exactly what and who these "popes" are.  They've behaved intolerably in our faces for almost fifty years.  I, for one, have had enough.  Let the sedevacantist banners fly. I'm not waiting for a phony church to declare anything about anything.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2019, 06:13:19 PM »
Quote from: hollingsworth on October 06, 2019, 06:10:04 PM
This is the classic reponse.  This is the "Resistance" line.  This is vintage Williamsonism.  We wait interminably until another future pope, or some kind of specially appointed conclave, or whatever, makes the call.  Meanwhile, we poor saps in the Catholic laity, (and priesthood) simply tolerate the enormities of the reigning pope.  We either like it or lump it.
I think it's all baloney.  We know exactly what and who these "popes" are.  They've behaved intolerably in our faces for almost fifty years.  I, for one, have had enough.  Let the sedevacantist banners fly. I'm not waiting for a phony church to declare anything about anything.

You have just admitted impatience (ie., inability or refusal to suffer) led you to your new position.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: ++Lefebvre and sedevacantism
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2019, 06:18:08 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 06, 2019, 05:55:10 PM
Antichrist is whatever opposes Christ (sin, scandal, etc).  

+Lefebvre obviously didn't mean to term that broadly; that's clear from context.
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