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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
« on: April 08, 2023, 02:06:16 AM »
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  • Hello, does anyone know what options there is for latin mass in Croatia? I know there is 1 sspx priest who does the mass in multiple locations but from what I understand he is a novus ordo priest and has not been re-ordained in the old rite. Does anyone know if there are any traditionally ordained priests in Hrvatska? Thanks.

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #1 on: April 08, 2023, 04:00:53 AM »
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    I live in Croatia, and I know that SSPX has masses in cities Zagreb (our capital and biggest city), Rijeka, Split and sometimes in Dubrovnik, but not every week. They have in Croatian language a blog called "Christus Rex" and new website called "SSPX Hrvatska".
    I think only in Zagreb there is one church that FSSP have or used to have Latin mass regularely. I don't know current situation after "Traditiones Custodes", and for diocesan Latin mass. It's only in Zagreb which is more than 500 km from my place.
    Nearest one is in Split which is about 105-110 km away, but we have a highway to Split from here.
    This one Croatian priest is called pater Marko Tilošanec, and I don't know if he is conditionaly ordained when he joined the SSPX. I watched his interview on SSPX website, maybe you could search it there. I think you can contact this priest directly on this email adress: fsspxhr@gmail.com.

    I'm also concerned about validity of new ordination rite, but it's seems to me they are still vaild. As for rite for consecration of bishops, there are more problematic and dubious. 
    I'm also concerned about Novus Ordo masses in Croatia not being vaild because they all use "for all" and not "for many" in consecration of wine. SSPX official stance on this that this doesn't invalidate the Novus Ordo mass.


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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #2 on: April 08, 2023, 05:40:28 AM »
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  • I'm also concerned about validity of new ordination rite, but it's seems to me they are still vaild. As for rite for consecration of bishops, there are more problematic and dubious.
    I'm also concerned about Novus Ordo masses in Croatia not being vaild because they all use "for all" and not "for many" in consecration of wine. SSPX official stance on this that this doesn't invalidate the Novus Ordo mass.
    Thanks for the response. I am hoping that if I ever go on holiday to Croatia or move there I will have a mass option. My Father would love to move back to Croatia but my mother is quite stubborn..


    I personally don't believe the new rite to be valid but hopefully some more educated member of CathInfo can chime in. There is also the recent issue with the sspx, with novus ordo bishop Huonder to Consecrate SSPX Holy Oils (there is a thread about it on this website).

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/huonder-to-consecrate-sspx-holy-oils/

    The sspx hasn't stated if this 'bishop' has been re-ordained so this is going to cause future complications with confirmations and extreme unction. I am worried about what the sspx might do in the future because since Benedict 16 became "Pope" they have changed their position on the new ordination rites, as benedict 16 was made a bishop in the new rite and if the sspx denied the new rite they would be forced to profess sedevacante.

    Regarding the new rite of consecration, majority of sources tell me that it's not valid because the meaning got changed when the words got changed. The sspx seems to have compromised on many erroneous positions due to their recent activity with Rome.

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #3 on: April 08, 2023, 06:12:15 AM »
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  • Regarding Fr Marko Tilošanec, I have tried asking him in the past about his ordination through email but I just got linked the standard SSPX video on the new rite which isn't very useful. Even some comments on another youtube video by the sspx interviewing him have asked about his ordination, but they just respond with the same video link.

    This then is your answer.  Apart from that, any priest who's unwilling to simply tell you who ordained him and when, he must be avoided.

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #4 on: April 08, 2023, 06:13:15 AM »
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  • I'm also concerned about Novus Ordo masses in Croatia not being vaild because they all use "for all" and not "for many" in consecration of wine. SSPX official stance on this that this doesn't invalidate the Novus Ordo mass.

    They're still using "for all" in the consecration of the wine at Mass?


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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #5 on: April 08, 2023, 05:07:10 PM »
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  • Just go to a Serbian Orthodox Divine Liturgy for guaranteed valid Sacraments in your region. Just make the trip to the nearest SO chapel. 

    Croatia and Bosnia love the Jew World Order. You can bet that full usurpation of their chapels by hook-nosed Christ-killers is inevitable. 

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #6 on: April 08, 2023, 05:56:44 PM »
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  • Just go to a Serbian Orthodox Divine Liturgy for guaranteed valid Sacraments in your region. Just make the trip to the nearest SO chapel.

    (statements full of hatred moderated)
    You can only receive the sacraments from them in danger of death. Besides, your average orthodox priest would refuse the last sacraments to a dying a Catholic, especially to a Croat in the case of a Serbian Orthodox.
    I recant many opinions on the crisis in the Church and moral theology that I have espoused on here from at least 2019-2021 don't take my postings from that time as well as 2022 possibly too seriously.

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #7 on: April 08, 2023, 10:17:20 PM »
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  • Just go to a Serbian Orthodox Divine Liturgy for guaranteed valid Sacraments in your region. Just make the trip to the nearest SO chapel.

    This is insane. not only because they are schismatics and heretics but also because Serbs... (not all serbs are bad but they have a problem cough greater serbia cough).


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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #8 on: April 08, 2023, 10:29:58 PM »
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  • You're the one with the problem. Your cough is from a Jєωιѕн infection. Serbs are the much better people. The Croats and Bosnians are worldlings and lovers of humanism and mammon. Your humanism is wrapped in "Catholic" liners. Serbian Orthodox are more Catholic than the Roman whore.
    You are clearly just trolling, or are you just a Serb who hates Croats?

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #9 on: April 08, 2023, 10:44:22 PM »
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  • I think Shimano must not know the atrocities the Serbs committed against the Croats not so long ago. Unthinkable horrors. 
    Croatia is by far more Catholic than Serbia. 
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #10 on: April 08, 2023, 10:49:54 PM »
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  • On a side note, my husband is of Croatian descent and just recently had the first litter of Croatian Sheepdog puppies born on US soil. He imported both our dogs from Croatia. 
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27


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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #11 on: April 08, 2023, 10:50:17 PM »
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  • I'm not a Serb. I just know the truth.

    You punk Croats sided with Bosnian anti-Christ muslims (1 John 4:3 and 1 John 2:22-23) to harm, steal from and kill Serbs.
    This is propaganda like the Jєωιѕн h0Ɩ0cαųst. You can find some information here.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/ustashe-and-the-catholic-church/msg846237/#msg846237

    The Ustashe weren't perfect but they were no were near as bad as the chetniks.

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #12 on: April 09, 2023, 09:08:44 PM »
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  • Of course we can talk here but don't expect me to make a timely response since I don't check CathInfo that frequently.
    Sretan Uskrs!

    Thanks for the information (not sure why someone gave a thumbsdown)

    I don't known Croatian well and I prefer to write up my discussion as it allows me to articulate myself better.
    What do you mean he has a problem with Bp. Williamson and sedevacantism? I personally am inclined to believe sedevacante as I don't see how Francis holds the Catholic faith as his words and actions say otherwise and show heresy/apostasy. 


    It seems their new site fsspx .hr is not fully updated, but good to see progress being made.


    On the website under "svete-mise"

    it says "Eucharistic fast as determined by Pius XII., so they have to pass 3 hours from the last meal and 1 hour for fluids. Drinking water does not interrupt fasting. "

    From
    Sacram Communionem
    On Laws of Fasting and the Evening Mass
    Pope Pius XII - 1957

    "must abstain for three hours from solid foods and alcoholic liquids, for one hour from non- alcoholic liquids. Water does not break the fast."

    The fsspx website does not distinguish between alcoholic drinks (3 hours) and non alcoholic drinks (1 hours)

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #13 on: April 10, 2023, 03:59:43 AM »
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  • He recently had a sermon whose point was basically that Williamson left the vineyard of the Lord (the SSPX) because he heard many sympathize with him.
    That's a bit concerning that he mentioned the sspx being 'the vineyard' when the sspx has had many scandals and has changed a lot over the years (not to mention their stance on EENS). Though it's good that it appears you guys have at least valid sacraments and a valid mass. Thanks for the info.

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    Re: Latin mass in Croatia and traditional clergy
    « Reply #14 on: April 10, 2023, 04:13:29 AM »
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  • Hvaljen Isus i Marija,
    Sretan Uskrs (Happy Easter) to you to. So you live in Croatia? 

    I just want to know, keep the true Catholic faith, believe in all 255 dogmas and other great doctrines of Catholic Church and receive sacraments.
    Yes, in Croatia there are still "for all" in consecration of wine, nothing changed after 2011.
    Nearby parish has a conservative Novus Ordo prest, but in my town there is a liberal franciscian who dresses like a laymen, who organized in one so called spirital room where is blessed sacrament measurments for blood pressure and blood sugar. Like it's a hospital or something.
    All but me weared masks even in the open during confessions before Easter 2020.
    Sadly, I found out that SSPX in USA and other countries also caved in to government tyranny.