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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2013, 10:27:45 PM »
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    Sorry, the "restrainer" is not from the Douay-Rheims, bad habit citing that. I mean "what withholdeth." Maybe this has already been interpreted to the satisfaction of most Catholics, and it is the papacy or something else?


    Yes, Raoul, that which "withholdeth" is the papacy according to Cardinal Manning in his 4 Lectures on "The Present Crisis of the Holy See, tested by prophecy", by Fr. Herman Bernard Kramer in his work on the Apocalypse The Book of Destiny (see chapter 12) and also by Rev. E. Sylvester Berry in The Apocalypse of St. John.  This prophecy was determined by these prelates from the writings of the Fathers. Fr. H.B. Kramer cites his sources.


    According to many others that which "withholdeth" is the Roman Empire or the Christian Kings.  It could be both of these things and the papacy at once.  It definitely seems that the Holy See either needs a temporal defender or needs to bravely face open and violent persecution from a world that hates Our Lord.  Then again, the temporal defenders of the Church work at the sufferance of the Roman Pontiff, yet they also secure his ability to project his influence across the world effectively.  The two seem to need one another.  The Church needs laymen to defend her interests in the courts and cities of the world.  Likewise, laymen need the Church to know what to do in the first place.  I could see an argument for either the Pope or a universal peace sustained by the hegemony of Catholic rulers being that which "withholdeth."

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    « Reply #16 on: December 05, 2013, 06:53:38 AM »
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    According to many others that which "withholdeth" is the Roman Empire or the Christian Kings.  It could be both of these things and the papacy at once.  It definitely seems that the Holy See either needs a temporal defender or needs to bravely face open and violent persecution from a world that hates Our Lord.  Then again, the temporal defenders of the Church work at the sufferance of the Roman Pontiff, yet they also secure his ability to project his influence across the world effectively.  The two seem to need one another.  The Church needs laymen to defend her interests in the courts and cities of the world.  Likewise, laymen need the Church to know what to do in the first place.  I could see an argument for either the Pope or a universal peace sustained by the hegemony of Catholic rulers being that which "withholdeth."


    This is an excellent point, Pere Joseph. In fact, doesn't the King of France have everything to do with this? When the Monarchy was extinguished in the person of King Louis XVI in 1793, the temporal protection of the Church weakened.
    The whole reason for St. Joan of Arc's mission was to save the sacred line of anointed kings in France. There are people today searching for and/or protecting the identity of the rightful heir to the throne.

    Can you shed any light on this?


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    « Reply #17 on: December 05, 2013, 02:02:24 PM »
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  • In foreknowledge and providence. God sets both spiritual and temporal rulers according to the state of nations and the world.

       

    Job 34:3
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    "Who maketh a man that is a hypocrite to reign for the sins of the people?"




    Daniel 3:31-32


    "Wherefore all that thou hast brought upon us, and every thing that thou hast done to us, thou hast done in true judgment:  And thou hast delivered us into the hands of our enemies that are unjust, and most wicked, and prevaricators, and to a king unjust, and most wicked beyond all that are upon the earth."


    The Most High has set a line of sacred monarchs and we know from various prophecies (including to Marie Julie Jahenney), eventually the French Monarchy will be restored concomitant with the age of peace and the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart.

    I find the following revelations illuminating, but they are for your own discernment:

    http://kerizinen.free.fr/


    See "The Notebooks of Jeanne-Louise"


    Also:


    Saint Francisco de Paola of Italy (1416-1507), founder of the order of Minim friars, was a miracle worker whose spiritual graces included prophecy. In that wise, St. Francis foretold the rise of a great Christian military leader out of Italy sometime in the future:

        "The great leader of the holy militia of the Holy Spirit shall overcome the world, and shall possess the earth so completely that no king or lord shall be able to exist, except that he belongs to the sacred host of the Holy Ghost. These devout men shall wear on their breasts, and much more within their hearts, the sign of the living God, namely, the Cross.

        "The first members of this holy order shall be natives of the city where iniquity, vice and sin abound. However, they shall be converted from evil to good; from rebels against God they shall become most fervent and most faithful in His divine service. That city shall be cherished by God and by the Great Monarch, the elect and the beloved of the Most High Lord. For the sake of that place all holy souls who have done penance in it shall pray in the sight of God for that city and its inhabitants. When the time shall come of the immense and most right justice of the Holy Spirit, His Divine Majesty wills that such city become converted to God, and that many of its citizens follow the great prince of the holy army. The first person that will openly wear the sign of the living God shall belong to that city, because he will through a letter be commanded by a holy hermit to have it impressed upon his heart and to wear it externally on his breast.

        "That man will begin to meditate on the secrets of God, about the long visitation which the Holy Spirit will make and the dominion that he will exercise over the world through the holy militia. O! happy man, who shall receive from the Most High the greatest privileges! He will interpret the hidden secrets of the Holy Ghost, and he shall often excite the admiration of men by his revealed knowledge of the internal secrets of their hearts. Rejoice, my Lord, because that Prince above other princes, and King over other kings, will hold you in the greatest veneration, and after having been crowned with three most admirable crowns, will exalt that city, will declare it free, and the seat of the Empire, and it shall become one of the first cities in the world...

        "He shall be a first-born son; in his childhood he will be like a saint; in his youth, a great sinner; then he will be converted entirely to God and will do great penance; his sins will be forgiven him, and he will become a great saint.

        "He shall be a great captain and prince of holy men, who shall be called "the holy Cross-bearers of Jesus Christ," with whom he shall destroy the Mahometan sect and the rest of the infidels. He shall annihilate all the heresies and tyrannies of the world. He shall reform the church of God by means of his followers, who shall be the best men upon earth in holiness, in arms, in science, and in every virtue, because such is the will of the Most High. They shall obtain the dominion of the whole world, both temporal and spiritual, and they shall support the Church of God until the end of time.

        "God almighty shall exalt a very poor man of the blood of Emperor Constantine, son of St. Helena, and of the seed of Pepin, who shall on his breast wear a red Cross. Through the power of the Most High he shall confound the tyrants, the heretics, and infidels. He will gather a grand army, and the angels shall fight for them; they shall kill all God’s enemies.

        "From the beginning of the world, after the creation of man, and to the end of human generations, there have been and there shall be seen wonderful events upon the earth. Four hundred years shall not pass when his Divine Majesty shall visit the world with a new religious order much needed, which shall effect more good among men than all other religious institutions combined. This religious order shall be the last and the best in the Church; it shall proceed with arms, with prayer, and with hospitality. Woe to tyrants, to heretics, and to infidels, to whom no pity shall be shown, because such is the will of the most high! An infinite number of wicked men shall perish through the hands of the Cross-bearers, the true servants of Jesus Christ. They shall act like good husbandmen when they extirpate noxious weeds and prickly thistles from the wheat field. Those holy servants of God shall purify the earth with the deaths of innumerable wicked men.

        "How spiritually blind are those persons who, having no thought about things of God, fix their end in earthly objects. Wretched men! by far worse than the very beasts which are guided by their sense, because they cannot reason, they become brutalized. Hence they shall ever be in confusion. Let, therefore, the princes of this world be prepared for the greatest scourges to fall upon them. But from whom? First from heretics and infidels, then from the holy and most faithful Cross-bearers elected by the Most High, who, not succeeding in converting the heretics with science, shall have to make vigorous use of their arms. Many cities and villages shall be in ruins, with the deaths of an innumerable quantity of bad and good men. The infidels also shall fight against Christians and heretics, sacking, destroying, and killing the largest portion of Christians. Lastly, the army, styled "of the Church," namely, the holy Cross-bearers, shall move, not against Christians or Christianity, but against those infidels in pagan countries, and they shall conquer all those kingdoms with the death of a very great number of infidels. After this they shall turn their victorious arms against bad Christians, and destroy all the rebels against Jesus Christ.

         

        These holy Cross-bearers shall reign and dominate holily over the world until the end of time... But when shall this take place? When crosses with the stigmas shall be seen, and the crucifix shall be carried as the standard... This standard will be admired by all good Catholics; but at the beginning it will be derided by bad Christians and by infidels. Their sneers shall, however, be changed into mourning when they shall witness the wonderful victories achieved through it against tyrants, heretics, and infidels... That man (the leader of the Crucifers) will be a great sinner in his youth, but like St. Paul he will be drawn and converted to God. He shall be the founder of a new religious order different from all the others. He shall divide it into three classes, namely:

                        (1) Military knights,

                        (2) Solitary priests,

                        (3) most pious hospitalers.

        This shall be the last religious order of the Church, and it will do more good for our holy religion than all other religious institutes. By force of arms he shall take possession of a great kingdom. He shall destroy the sect of Mahomet, extirpate all tyrants and heresies. He shall bring the world to a more holy mode of life. There will be one fold and one Shepherd. He shall reign until the end of time. In the whole earth there shall be only twelve kings, one emperor, one pope. Rich gentlemen shall be few, but all saints."

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    « Reply #18 on: December 05, 2013, 02:22:52 PM »
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  • Supplementary:

    Marie-Julie Jahenny: "The Blessed Virgin told me we
    have to pray much to deflect the evils that must
    fall upon France. It will unfortunately atone for two centuries of
    political and social system of atheism, two
    centuries of a non-Christian régime. Democracy
    is indeed the Luciferian régime par excellence.
    The sole régime of a divine origin never comes
    from below, but only from above. Without
    making a pun, let us say in its very name,
    recognizes that it is the devil that guides 'demo'-cracy:
    the devil is the master.”

    Marie-Julie announced the return of the white
    flag, the fleur de ly. ... (April 20, 1874)

    In other words, France will suffer in atonement for the abolition of the monarchy and the Masonic democracy it accepted during the French Revolution. Our Lord later explained in different visions that France will not know true peace until the Great Monarch restores the monarchy symbolized by the royal standard of the fleur de ly.

    "Ever since Louis XVI died on the scaffold,
    France is threatened with danger and
    misfortune.” Our Lord to Marie-Julie, May 28, 1877


    See also:


    http://www.marie-julie-jahenny.fr/scapular-of-blessing-and-protection.htm


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    « Reply #19 on: December 05, 2014, 10:45:28 PM »
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  • St Paola is the most powerful saint no one's ever heard of. He was a huge part of Louis XI's life and helped him die a Christian death. If you read his biography, it took a miracle just to keep him so well hidden for so long. Not unlike how expertly the Great Emperor has been hidden up to now (but not for much longer).

    Get ready!  :dwarf:
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    « Reply #20 on: December 06, 2014, 06:15:45 AM »
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  • Thank you for posting this Raoul.  And thank you for confirming my instinct about the 'Great Monarch' prophecies.  

    But I have gone one step further than you, and have now decided to discount all prophecies which refer to a restoration of the Church and Christendom.  Just like the 'Great Monarch', the 'Restoration' prophecies could reflect a great deal of wishful thinking.  And they could also be a ploy of Satan, to distract Catholics from what is really going on, which is that Vatican II is the 'revolt' warned about by St Paul in 2Thessalonians and all that implies  

    According to the Church Fathers, the Antichrist will claim to be a man of God and a bringer of peace who will unite all the nations and put an end to conflict. Could the 'Restoration' prophecies be softening up Catholics to accept him? It is the same question you asked of the 'Great Monarch' prophecies.

    I personally know a number of Trads who are convinced that the rise of the Antichrist is far away in some distant future.  They cite the 'Great Monarch' prophecies and the 'Restoration' prophecies as evidence of this, or even proof of this.  But if Vatican II is the 'revolt'  and the 'one who holds' who has to be 'taken out of the way' refers to the Pope, then it is clear where we are.  There will be no restoration before the Parousia.

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    « Reply #21 on: December 07, 2014, 12:56:42 PM »
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    St Paola is the most powerful saint no one's ever heard of. He was a huge part of Louis XI's life and helped him die a Christian death. If you read his biography, it took a miracle just to keep him so well hidden for so long. Not unlike how expertly the Great Emperor has been hidden up to now (but not for much longer).

    Get ready!  :dwarf:


    Could you give some more specific information about this ?  From what line do you think he comes ?  Or are you positing that he must exist due to prophecies and philosophy, etc. ?

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    « Reply #22 on: December 07, 2014, 07:27:42 PM »
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  • Pere, I'm mostly using deduction from the various prophecies. I may have some special knowledge on the subject but it's not an iron clad "Vision from God" or the like. Time will tell! The Soviets are at the very gates of WWIII so while I think things are about to get much worse, the Monarch is at the very least a ray(Rey?) of hope and something positive to latch onto. He will not use his crown to glorify himself, but to fully restore the Church and to glorify God. That is, if the volumes of prophecy regarding him are anywhere close to the truth.

    It's my belief he won't be humanly traceable until it's time for him to make an entrance. If Our Lady is keeping him hidden, it's fruitless to try weed him out before his time. It is after all for his own protection. That also means he won't have anything in the way of a recognized genealogy. Remember, he will be "treated like a servant" and will be "very poor!" Probably the only way to figure it out would be a blood test or by some miracle there's a discovered missing link in his family tree.

    Sorry I couldn't provide you with more detail!
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    « Reply #23 on: December 07, 2014, 07:56:58 PM »
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    The Soviets are at the very gates of WWIII so while I think things are about to get much worse,


    I've read your comments about the "Soviets" on several threads. Current Russia is the antithesis of the Bolshevik jew-founded Soviet regime, which slaughtered 10s of millions of Christians. The errors of Russia have now immersed the U.S. and much of the EU, including France, but that's not to say the Crown of Lilies will not rise out of France. I believe he will and help establish the Social Reign of Christ, but right now, France and almost all of the West are judaized, rotten warmongers and thieves. Putin, on the other hand, saved Syria from falling completely to the prey of U.S.-British, Israeli and Saudi-backed forces known as al-Nusra Front & FSA and "ISIS", thus he has currently saved much of the minority Christian population from being pillaged to death in Syria. Furthermore, Putin has banned pervert (fag) marriages, public display of same perversions and propaganda; and Putin has criminalized any public mockery of the Church. That's not the "errors of Russia". Just look at the U.S and EU countries to see the diabolical.

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    « Reply #24 on: December 07, 2014, 09:55:30 PM »
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    I've read your comments about the "Soviets" on several threads. Current Russia is the antithesis of the Bolshevik jew-founded Soviet regime, which slaughtered 10s of millions of Christians. The errors of Russia have now immersed the U.S. and much of the EU, including France, but that's not to say the Crown of Lilies will not rise out of France. I believe he will and help establish the Social Reign of Christ, but right now, France and almost all of the West are judaized, rotten warmongers and thieves. Putin, on the other hand, saved Syria from falling completely to the prey of U.S.-British, Israeli and Saudi-backed forces known as al-Nusra Front & FSA and "ISIS", thus he has currently saved much of the minority Christian population from being pillaged to death in Syria. Furthermore, Putin has banned pervert (fag) marriages, public display of same perversions and propaganda; and Putin has criminalized any public mockery of the Church. That's not the "errors of Russia". Just look at the U.S and EU countries to see the diabolical.


    Putin is no more a religious conservative than Bush was. They both make a show of it for political purposes. The Soviet Union never went away, it only went Machiavellian on us.

    KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn's work, starting in the 1960's has made claims and predictions about Russia's moves that have been startlingly accurate over the years. One man went so far as to list out all his predictions and lined them up with what had transpired up to through the 90's and found his accuracy well in the 90's, fittingly.  

    Another interesting source is Yuri Bezmenov (Tomas Schuman) who defected to Canada in the 70's and who became something of a traveling lecturer, wrote a book, made some videos in the 80's and promptly disappeared.

    A great blog for this is https://thecontemplativeobserver.wordpress.com

    At any rate, Putin is not Catholic. He's not a king either, more like an "elected" dictator. Of course he knows very well how low the west has fallen... the soviets engineered a great deal of it! He will use his rhetoric to fool people into believing Russia is some bastion of conservative Christian ideals, all the while Russia maintains their gold medal status in abortion rates, twice the murder rate than that of the continental US, vast crime networks, open mob warfare, convenient assassination of dissenters (Litvinenko for one), Poland's entire resistance to the EU going down in flames on Russian soil, etc...

    Speaking of Litvinenko, do you remember the element used to kill him? Polonium-210. Arafat was found to have elevated levels found on his belongings after testing a few years back and it was one of the radiactive elements found in the remains of Turkish president Turgut Ozal upon his exhumation. The soviets are in complete control of the world situation, we're just puppets.

    Gorbachev by the way remains an avowed Leninist to this day and a big proponent of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr to boot. He named dropped St Francis ("Spirit of Assisi", Pope "Francis" coincidence?) to Reagan and Reagan thought he must be some closeted Christian, only years later did he finally quash that implication. Glasnost was a complete ruse.

    The west has been completely demoralized. You'll get no argument from me there. We can't even expect men and women to use separate restrooms! We are ripe for the taking and will suffer immensely before it gets better for us. France despite it's secularization, still has social structures in place that the US doesn't. Shops are closed on Sundays, it's illegal to wear a burka, and thanks to the Briand-Ceretti Agreement, the French president can actually nominate bishops for the Pope's approval. When you factor in her patron saints, it becomes even more clear that God had intended France for greater things. To start, you had St. Mary Magdalene with the Holy Myrrh-bearers, and St. Lazarus arriving on her southern shore. St. Martin of Tours, whose act of tearing his military cloak in order to clothe a beggar, laid the etymological basis for the word chapel and chaplain today (cappella means little cape in Latin). St Remi was the saint who baptized Clovis and whose hometown became the site of kingly coronations. Then of course there's Joan of Arc. It may be hard to see due to her present state, but France is destined for incredible things yet!
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #25 on: December 08, 2014, 12:54:46 AM »
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    I've read your comments about the "Soviets" on several threads. Current Russia is the antithesis of the Bolshevik jew-founded Soviet regime, which slaughtered 10s of millions of Christians. The errors of Russia have now immersed the U.S. and much of the EU, including France, but that's not to say the Crown of Lilies will not rise out of France. I believe he will and help establish the Social Reign of Christ, but right now, France and almost all of the West are judaized, rotten warmongers and thieves. Putin, on the other hand, saved Syria from falling completely to the prey of U.S.-British, Israeli and Saudi-backed forces known as al-Nusra Front & FSA and "ISIS", thus he has currently saved much of the minority Christian population from being pillaged to death in Syria. Furthermore, Putin has banned pervert (fag) marriages, public display of same perversions and propaganda; and Putin has criminalized any public mockery of the Church. That's not the "errors of Russia". Just look at the U.S and EU countries to see the diabolical.


    Putin is no more a religious conservative than Bush was. They both make a show of it for political purposes.


    Well, I agree Putin is not a "religious conservative" because he is a Russian Orthodox, whose very theology is the antithesis of the fake religious conservatism of the West. This so-called religious conservatism is not orthodox / traditional in any real sense, rather it's a religious posture designed to perpetuate a political expression and policy, hence neo-conservatism. Moreover, I never saw Bush take actions to ban fαɢɢօtry in public places, ban pervert "marriages", nor reprimand people for publicly mocking the Church and blaspheming Christ. However, I have seen him literally holding hands with a despotic leader and oil baron who outlaws any Christian material - Bibles, Crucifixes, Rosaries, etc - in his country (Saudi Arabia). So, INDEED, Bush was/is a fake religious conservative.

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    KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn's work, starting in the 1960's has made claims and predictions about Russia's moves that have been startlingly accurate over the years. One man went so far as to list out all his predictions and lined them up with what had transpired up to through the 90's and found his accuracy well in the 90's, fittingly.


    Sorry, that sort of proves my point about the Soviet jew-controlled regime that predated Putin, who is the antithesis of Soviet marxism. The Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, but not all of the cronies in power were eradicated at the same time. Putin didn't rise to power until the very late 90s.

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    Gorbachev by the way remains an avowed Leninist to this day and a big proponent of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr to boot. He named dropped St Francis ("Spirit of Assisi", Pope "Francis" coincidence?) to Reagan and Reagan thought he must be some closeted Christian, only years later did he finally quash that implication. Glasnost was a complete ruse.


    So you're conflating a Soviet-era deceiver with Putin and modern day Russia? Again, how is current Russia propagating the cultural Marxism of yore, which is now a massive pathogenic fungus growing out of the U.S., Western Hemisphere and much of Europe? I'm not saying Russia is a Catholic utopia, nor is Putin a saint, but I don't see any of the world's threats and problems stemming from Russian subterfuge. And don't try to mention Ukraine, because the whole problem there is a Western-backed coup, at the behest of Christ-hating jew Victoria Nuland, et al, of a legitimately elected Ukrainian president who rejected inclusion to the parasitic EU, and rather had loyalties to Moscow. And Crimea was long part of Russia - longer than the U.S. has even been a nation - with many ethnic Russians. Moreover, Russia has a treaty allowing their naval fleet there until the year 2042 with a 5 year extension option. Russia has a right to protect its Russian people and interests in Crimea, and protect its energy sources in nearby Russian territories.


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    « Reply #26 on: December 08, 2014, 06:30:15 PM »
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  • By all means do visit that link I posted for the Contemplative Observer. He's had living experience in Russia and is shouting at the top of lungs that we are greatly decieved about Russia's true objectives. Pics of government buildings that still have soviet iconography, the hammer and sickle included. Ominous speeches by Putin and Gorby (who is not simply some post-soviet artifact). Just a few months back there was a minor headline about a Russian Orthodox monastery rolling out Stalin calendars for 2015!

    Also, please go and read some of what Golytsin was saying. We are too eager to take in what we see on the news at face value. Once you truly understand Leninist tactics, you'll realize that there's no depth the Soviets will not sink to in order to destroy their enemy.

    And lets talk about the Ukraine! Let's talk about how Russia is forcing Ukrainians to pay through the nose for gas. Let's talk about how even the west is so thoroughly Marxist that all of these conflicts amount to petrushkas on the world stage. Do we really have to go into detail about Obama? If you want to tell me he doesn't have traceable communist connections, I'll be glad to provide them for you... for a fee of course!  

    Since you seem to be keen on Hegelian dialectic, thesis/antithesis and such, what is socialism if not the go-to synthesis of the Soviet nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr? It doesn't take much effort to peel back the curtains on someone like Obama to realize the incredible ties our government has with hardcore communism. At this advanced stage, with years and years of dictatorial executive orders (only to be used in national emergencies!), joint Russian-Chinese-American military initiatives, false-flag terror attacks, race war baiting, gender wars, feminism, all it would take is a hiccup in our direction to set the end game in motion. Victimology is the opiate of the socialist masses. We have so many self-defined proletariats running around screaming for the heads of their imagined bourgeoisie oppressors that it's a wonder we haven't turned into a permanent third world riot zone. As we reject the final vestiges of civil authority, we'll get to see what a real authoritarian military force looks like.

    I'm not sure how jews being involved with the founding of communism precludes a false political demise. I think you're mistaken if you believe that once the Jews weren't as publically associated with the movement, the ship would right itself for the most part. The Jews are most definitely a big issue, but they are not the greatest problem at hand. They become formidable only when attached to other causes.

    The Jews have always been with us. We know they are nothing without stronger forces to ally themselves with. They did it with Rome when they put Christ to death with the aid of the empire, they did it with Islam to help persecute the Church, they built up Protestantism to seduce and pillage, and they aim to completely eclipse the Church with the Satanic Soviet. It could be argued that all of these monstrosities were golems created in part by the Jews, but it's obvious that they've taken up a life of their own. Jews don't have that much control; Satan uses them up as he deems necessary and discards them when convenient. They are certainly in the mix, but they will scatter quickly once this stone is overturned. What will they do when the good Monarch outlaws usury? My hunch is that they will be accustomed to begging on the streets.

    Right now the strong man is Soviet Russia. Tie him up, and the rest will crumble. It might be the reason why the Fatima message didn't have a whole lot to say about Jews and everything to do with the consecration of Russia.

    In my experience, discussions that devolve into "jew this, jew that" or "antithesis here, antithesis there" tend to miss the forest for the trees. The time is nearly up for this beast and he is champing on the bit.

    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #27 on: December 08, 2014, 11:23:53 PM »
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    He's had living experience in Russia and is shouting at the top of lungs that we are greatly decieved about Russia's true objectives.


    I can think of just as many people who lived in Russia that would argue the opposite of what he says...

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    We are too eager to take in what we see on the news at face value.


    I agree, which is why Americans should not watch, nor listen, to any jew-owned Mockingbird mainstream media that has a pathology of spewing lies about Russia and the unfolding crisis in Ukraine. I never take our media liars at face value, nor any value for that matter. It would behoove you to watch this regarding the fake news:
     
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    And lets talk about the Ukraine! Let's talk about how Russia is forcing Ukrainians to pay through the nose for gas.


    Sorry, but FAIL, for that's only after the U.S./EU installed a jew puppet, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, as prime minister after their coup of a legitimate, freely elected Ukrainian government, however, right before the coup of Ukraine's legit president, Russia gave Ukraine very cheaply priced gas. See here:
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russia-gives-ukraine-cheap-gas-15-billion-in-loans-333852.html

    Moreover, Russia has every right to currently impose higher gas prices on a nation who is currently acting as a U.S. proxy for war against Russia.

    Learn about modern day mass murder and financial corruption by a triple Ukrainian-Israeli-Cypriot citizen, who is also a bankster and fracker, and his cohorts in genocide - Joe Biden, Biden's son, and ex-Israeli Defense Force mercenaries. http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=970

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    Let's talk about how even the west is so thoroughly Marxist that all of these conflicts amount to petrushkas on the world stage. Do we really have to go into detail about Obama? If you want to tell me he doesn't have traceable communist connections


    I know.. which is why I previously said that Russia's errors have spread to America. The anti-Christ political system and cultural Marxism of the U.S. is systemic, and the growing police state and surveillance against Americans is another symptom. But you're wrong about Obama being a Russian puppet, rather he is a puppet for the ѕуηαgσgυє, Saudi Arabia, Military Industrial Complex, and a host of central banks including The Fed, Bank of England and Bank of International Settlements (BIS). Educate yourself on why Obama criminally spearheaded an attack against Libya, and you will see how he's a puppet for the BIS.

    You're preaching to the choir about Obama, fαℓѕє fℓαgs, victimology , etc.

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    The former Soviet Union was a victim of the "socialism" (Marxism) of which you speak, not the creator of it. This Marxist socialism is essentially a political expression of anti-Christ jewry, but disguised as a political movement & economic ideology that also effects the goyim to be in a servitude to the state (usurped by Christ-hating jews). This parallels the teachings of the тαℓмυd that jews are superior to non-jews, and non-jews only exist to serve jews - the "chosen ones". Capitalism is also a false dichotomy to Marxism, for Wall St. and The Fed are saturated with jews who effect a corporate plutocracy over a nation, while brainwashing the herd that they live in a "democracy" and "free economic system". The jews establish themselves in all angles to effect their anti-Christ agenda and hegemony over the world.

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    Majority of the people in the Soviet government were not jews anyway, at least after the Revolution, but Marxism, which was founded and pioneered disproportionately by jews, was all that these people knew many decades afterwards, up until 1991. It was their identity and creed (as intended), but when the Soviet system collapsed, many people realized the slavery of Marxism and the jews who were behind its pathology.

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    That's what jews do... like ticks, they attack themselves to hosts. They use and drain the host until it's destroyed. It's parasitism. They manipulate the host for their (jews) own good.

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    Russia's errors have already spread, hence Our Lady of Fatima's warning has come to fruition. It's called (not necessarily in chronological order of history): the formation of the Soviet Union.....Soviet satellite nations of eastern Europe falling under Marxism.....the Korean and Vietnam Wars.....China falling under Marxism.....the Cold War.....Marxist conflicts in central America such as Honduras & Nicaragua..... and cultural Marxism and social & political statism (that is Marxist-centric) heavily infiltrating the U.S. Such examples: Catholics on DoD's "domestic extremist" list.....Systemic anti-Christ agenda (promotion of jewry while anything Christian is censored, attacked, ridiculed, etc).....TSA molesting people at airports.....DHS.....NSA spying.....Attempts to take away our guns.....Abortion.....fαɢɢօt Mafia spreading its perversions.....Obama"care".....Contrived system to put more people on food stamps - make people more dependent on govt'.... etc. etc. However, Our Lady never gave a definitive time frame on how long it would last. "By their fruits, you shall know them." Again, in current times, Russia, in important ways, has been the antithesis of spreading errors that now permeate the U.S./West.

    You have not given any evidence of Russia being the source of the world's ills. Your views are based on prejudice, speculation and confirmation bias, and you've probably invested much of your identity into this view on "Soviet Russia", so it will probably be very hard for you to shed yourself of this thinking.





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    « Reply #28 on: December 09, 2014, 06:26:44 AM »
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  • The Ukraine is billions in debt to Gazprom. They've already received a false bailout (17 billion) from the IMF before all this even started. You know, that good ol' debt slavery! Then Russia saw fit to saddle her with even more debt, which threatens to wipe out the last of her national reserves. Gas prices might be fixed at a lower rate until March, but Ukraine was just forced to make a 1.3 billion dollar payment as a first installment to GP, with another 1.7 due by year's end. Doesn't sound like a bargain to me!

    But then again, it serves them right for daring to go against sweet conservative christian nation Mother Russia!

    :incense:

    Russia is not an antithesis of Marxism or Soviet Communism or Socialism. If you can establish it as an antithesis of anything, please do. I will say they've succeeded in making people believe it's a social conservative bulwark (just like they were a liberal bulwark in the beginning) so that they'll beg for a savior to deliver them from their rotten society (which was also demoralized by the Soviets). It's more like a false synthesis of "free market", oligarchy with close state ties (or you go to gulag!), with phony elections to let people think they can play in the receding waters of an impending tsunami. You simply cannot skip over the multitudes of issues they've got going on. While yes, they don't particularly have a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity problem from what I can gather (that propaganda was reserved specifically for the West), again, they are the world leaders in abortion among other things. Not remotely Catholic! Don't be surprised that he's lockstep with the clergy and vice-versa; the Russian Orthodox have long been a controlled state entity.

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    You have not given any evidence of Russia being the source of the world's ills.
    Do you honestly expect us to believe that Russia has overcome her own lies without a consecration? Did I miss the part where they banned jews from holding public office, stopped usury, abortion, etc..? This is simply untenable if you have any trust in the Fatima message. You might not be joking, but you can't be taken seriously.

    You throw around word antithesis, but you don't bother with thesis or synthesis, so I'm fairly certain you don't have a solid handle on the concept. The goal is always synthesis. So if Russia is indeed an antithesis, then it is merely to set up a greater deception that everyone will accept. I believe it's just a prelude to all out global war at which time, all thesis/antithesis/synthesis will fall away to reveal the hard nugget of Soviet Communism. No compromises. We might well take Putin's advice and teach our wives to make cabbage soup.

    So now onto Obama...

    First, Obama hails from one of the big three Communist hotbed cities in the US, Chicago (the other two being New york and San Francisco) and went to one of the most liberal colleges in the US, Columbia University. We have next to nothing from his years in college in the way of writing or earned accomplishments. In 1995, Obama happened to strike up a working relationship with Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn, both known former leaders of the Weather Underground during it's peak terrorist years. Bill's also rumored to have been the ghostwriter of "Dreams of My Father", Jack Cashill made some pretty good research into that. There's his fond recollections of "Frank", an intimate friend of grandpa Dunham. His full name was Frank Marshall Davis and he was one of the most eminent hardcore American Communists of the 50's, 60's and 70's. Obamacare is nothing but state-controlled price gouging healthscare, and his continual endorsement of the false black proletariat narrative is also helping to incite more civil unrest among the black community as well as the rest of the lobotomized liberal community.

    Now jews are certainly involved, but you have to take down the real power that shields them and every other abomination that's rearing it's ugly head. If all we had to worry about was the Israeli army, the most cowardly military power on the face of the earth, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #29 on: December 09, 2014, 12:51:35 PM »
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  • Thanks to the OP for an insightful post! Most of those who I know who are really "into" the Great Monarch, were led in that direction by Yves DuPont. One thing that always bothered me about DuPont is that he egregiously plaguerized the work of Immanuel Velokofsky in regard to catastrophic geology, without giving him credit.
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