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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Raoul76 on October 17, 2012, 05:31:30 PM
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When I last wrote about this, I had discovered many of the "prophecies" of the Great Monarch were fakes, but certain by-all-accounts holy Churchmen did write about this figure. I say "write about," rather than prophesize, for reasons that will become more clear later.
I have now done more research, and my view has changed yet again. I set myself the goal of trying to trace back the Monarch prophecies to a source; what kicked this off? As it turns out, others had done this research for me, but we came to the same conclusion: the earliest Great Monarch prophecy is from, not a Catholic, but a Sibyl, that is a Roman prophetess, specifically, the Triburtine Sibyl.
The Sibyls, according to some, are really pseudo-Sibyls, so that makes this even more complicated. Some surmise that Jєωιѕн and Christian propagandists used the name of the Sibyl in order to spread their respective propagandas to the pagans, so that a Christian would come up with Christian prophecies and then attribute these to a Sibyl, knowing they had more credibility with the heathen hordes... This is just speculation, but it's plausible speculation.
Now, the book pertaining to the Great Monarch is Book 8 of the Triburtine Sibyl, a book that is said to show both Jєωιѕн and Christian influence. The first part is supposedly very Jєωιѕн, but then towards the end there is an acrostic on the name of Jesus or something like that, which is supposed to mean it's Christian... What if it's gnostic or kabbalistic Christianity? That is what first popped into my mind. Why would the same book show two different strains of thought?
The section on the Great Monarch is very long, and starts with a depiction of generation after generation, vaguely describing various rulers, as we head towards the Monarch and Antichrist from the early days of the Church. In my opinion, it is the farthest thing from convincing. It doesn't seem to match any reality that I know of, but it's vague enough that you can read whatever you want into it.
The defining feature of this prophecy is what you could call an anti-Muslim paranoia -- and it is clear that this influenced almost all the future writers who took on the subject of the Great Monarch ( it's almost always about Muslims, not about Jews ). The Christians are seen as groaning under the yoke of the Muslims, who have enslaved them -- this has been permitted by God because of their lukewarmness -- when the Great Monarch comes as their deliverer. Again, it doesn't really reflect current events.
Before the end of the first millenium, there are very few Great Monarch "prophecies" that can be verified. Most of those that are written about by Dupont and others are fake. For instance, people quote St. Augustine prophesizing the Great Monarch, but they are really quoting De Antichristo by Monk Adso. They quote St. Methodius, but it was really someone known now only as pseudo-Methodius, allegedly a bishop, who wrote about the Monarch. And likewise, it was not St. Ephraem but pseudo-Ephraem who also wrote about him ( I can't recall at the moment if pseudo-Ephraem wrote general end-time prophecies or specifically about the Great Monarch ).
Scholars have compared these prophecies side-by-side, and right away, unless these scholars have an agenda, it's obvious that the "prophets" merely copied the Sibyl. The wording and ideas are virtually identical in places. Somewhere along the line, the idea of the Monarch laying down his crown in Jerusalem is added. But as it turns out, these were not prophecies so much as mere transmission of the prophecy of the Sibyl... Recall, this was the Dark Ages, information and books were scarce, any sort of prophecy from the past was like a treasure to be handed down, and that is what these early "prophets" were obviously doing, unless you believe that God gave them all the same vision almost word-for-word. So it is either ignorant or dishonest to act like all these different holy people, in different places, were all having visions of a Great Monarch. This also goes for the Venerable Bede, who wrote down the prophecy of the Sibyl.
Something I should say about the Sibyls; they had some credibility with Catholic writers. St. Augustine even mentions one of them predicting Christ. So it wasn't considered to be like fortune-telling to consult a Sibyl. But it's possible these people were fooled by an extremely cryptic, gnostic hoax; the mystery of iniquity itself, even.
In the second millenium, again, many prophecies of the Monarch are fake. The main source of this legend, just as the Sibyl was for the first millenium, is a book called the Liber Mirabilis. This source is even worse than the Sibyl. It is a hodgepodge of a book with prophecies that some allege are flat-out doctored, it is full of astrological mumbo-jumbo, and it was even banned by the Church in Portugal, in a certain diocese. But it sounds like it was very popular among the people. I am pretty sure this is how the common folk got the Great Monarch bug.
The main "prophet" of the Great Monarch who we know for sure wrote on this subject, is Holzhauser, a German who lived a short life in the 17th century. Holzhauser attained to the status of Venerable, so he is not a nobody. He was a wonderworker of Church reform in Germany, and also considered an impressive scholar. He writes at great length about the Great Monarch in his unfinished interpretation of the Apocalypse, where he also goes into his theory of the Seven Ages of Man.
But is even this a real prophesy, or is it merely Biblical interpretation? I opt for the latter. If we are to call this prophesy, then Hermann Kramer's The Book of Destiny is "prophecy." I actually find a similar style between the two authors; a bit romantic, overwrought and overimaginative in classic German fashion. This is not to denigrate Holzhauser, who I'm sure was a saintly religious, but in this case, he is just another Catholic writing his interpretation of the Apocalypse. He says there are references to the Great Monarch in about a dozen books of the Bible, citing almost all the Minor Prophets, and I have never heard anyone make such a claim before. I confess at this point I have not checked to see if he gives references to the Biblical passages in question -- that is because I am not really that convinced by his interpretation to begin with, so the motivation is lacking.
The period that follows the French Revolution sees the Great Monarch figure shape-shift once again, he is now the man who will deliver France from the revolutionaries. You find references to him among the counter-revolutionary Catholics, those who were intransigent against any compromise with the Republican government, among figures such as Abbé Mathurin ( who supposedly prophesied the invention of the steam train ) and Abbé Curicque, a priest who wrote a book about end-times prophecies n the late 19th century called Voix Prophétiques, who clearly had integrity but seemed a bit quick to ascribe any sort of vague prophecy of a future king to a Great Monarch figure. Just because a prophecy talks about a king, doesn't mean it's the Great Monarch, you see...
I feel now I have a good grasp of the situation, and the Great Monarch prophecies that we can prove are real, are not prophecies at all, except the prophecy of the Sibyl which kicked this all off, and which could be a gnostic / kabbalistic hoax for all we know.
I believe there are three main strains of writing on the Great Monarch:
(1) Transmission of the Sibylline prophecy
(2) Folk legends centered around the Liber Mirabilis
(3) Wishful thinking of the counter-Revolutionaries of France
In case it's not clear, what I'm saying is that the Great Monarch appears, to me, to belong more to the realm of legend and rumor than of prophecy, though it was a prophecy that started the whole thing -- one that cannot even be proven to be Christian. You can see how the idea keeps being adapted to various epochs.
I said earlier that there are prophecies about kings that do not necessarily pertain to the Great Monarch. You will see how those who collate prophecies often lump them all together, creating a form of hypnotism whereby you think that any prophecy that speaks of a king must be talking about the French monarch. Like it will say "... A king of the house of the lilies..." so we just KNOW this refers to the Great Monarch. I finally caught onto this, and became extremely exacting, going through prophecy after prophecy with a fine-toothed comb.
One prophecy of Joséphine Lamarine, for example, mentions a man on horseback in a church, a king, holding a double-edged sword. This is cited as a Great Monarch prophecy. It sounds more to me like Jesus Himself, but to each his own. True, it could be the Great Monarch insofar as he is the hand of God, enforcing the will of God... Or it could just be the way that this woman saw Jesus in her vision, which was colored by her respect for the French royalty... A third option is that there will be a new king of France, after the Republics fall, but that he will not be the so-called Great Monarch. How can you assume that she was referring to the Great Monarch? Too many prophecies are like this.
I will go further: I will say that, apart from the Sibyl, there is not a single prophecy about the Great Monarch that can be traced back to a source that we know is valid beyond any shadow of a doubt. Not one. Holzhauser, like I said, is just interpreting the Apocalypse, if that is prophecy, then there are millions of prophets. I am talking about a prophecy that the seer claims to have received from God Himself. But here is something really interesting: There ARE prophecies about a future Pope, as well as a Minor Chastisement, and these are real prophecies, with real, traceable sources: Anna-Maria Taigi, Elisabetta Canori-Mora, and others. In my opinion, these are true prophecies from God, a feeling I do not get with any Great Monarch prophecy. They may be mixed with demonic deceit, as can happen, but they strike me as authentic prophecies, not just human imagination.
When this idea hit me, it instantly intrigued me. There are verifiable prophecies about a Restoration of the Church, but not so much about the Great Monarch... What if our entire vision of the future is, therefore, totally wrong? What if the devil, for ages and ages, has been trying to disrupt the real restoration of the Church, with misleading visions of how it will happen, by playing on messianic fantasies? When you see how the Great Monarch prophecies lack a solid foundation, it definitely makes you wonder.
The fact that the Great Monarch is an exact mirror of Antichrist, like a "good" Antichrist, also makes you wonder. Was the Great Monarch an attempt of the devil to make people accept Antichrist, whose life pattern we all generally know? Is this figure a way to "money-launder," to whitewash Antichrist? Look at the resemblances:
* He wipes out all the heathens, while Antichrist absorbs all heresies into himself ( and he will certainly be pseudo-Christian, at least at times, mastering confusion as he does ).
* He dies in Jerusalem on a holy mountain. So does Antichrist, who goes to a holy mountain and tries to ascend like Jesus into the sky, only to be confronted with Jesus Himself, when he is hurled into a chasm in the ground caused by an earthquake...
* This one is a bit abstruse, but it involves the St. Francis de Paola letters -- which do not have a very convincing origin. In these letters, it says the Great Monach "after having been crowned with three most admirable crowns, will exalt that city, will declare it free, and the seat of the Empire, and it shall become one of the first cities in the world..." Now, the Little Horn / Antichrist of Daniel also gets his start on the road to power by taking control of three kingdoms.
Daniel 7:8 -- "I considered the horns, and behold another little horn sprung out of the midst of them: and three of the first horns were plucked up at the presence thereof: and behold eyes like the eyes of a man were in this horn, and a mouth speaking great things."
Right away it hit me that this is a Satanic inversion of the three wise men -- who were kings -- visiting the infant Jesus. The "little horn," that is, the Antichrist who starts out in an innocuous way, as Jesus was invisible and innocuous at first, gets control of three kingdoms. This really chills me, though if the prophecy of St. Francis de Paola is fake, as it probably is, it doesn't mean much. It could even be someone trying to denigrate the Great Monarch. But that doesn't change the fact that ALL the Great Monarch prophecies have overtones of Antichrist.
When you think about it, does it really seem plausible that this figure would wipe out all heresies? What, he is going to ride into Iran and Iraq, he is going to fight every Muslim? More and more, I wonder how I ever believed in this. I think the evidence, for me, is starting to favor the idea that the Great Monarch myth is one of the ways the devil is setting up acceptance of Antichrist. If anything, there may be a true Pope and true King who are eventually REJECTED by an imposter Pope, the False Prophet, and an impostor King, claiming to be the Great Monarch, who will attempt to play on glamour and fantasies.
I am just free-associating here, but what I know is this: There are no real, solid prophecies about the Great Monarch; there are real, solid prophecies about a future Pope and a future king or kings, as well as a Minor Chastisement; the Monarch's life, as described, bears an uncanny resemblance to that of Antichrist.
I now see the time we are in as an absolute, impenetrable mystery, that God does not want anyone to know about. But I am now on my guard. I think this may play out very differently than anyone expects. After all, who saw Vatican II coming?
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Thanks. I was interested in what you would eventually have to say about this.
In regards to prophecy and interpretations of the apocalypse, I have decided to stay away from them. I am far too unholy to interpret or pretend to want to interpret what they say. Like St. Bernard de Clairvaux said, the Early Fathers and saints were able to interpret the Gospel and Christ's words because they suffered, through fasting and prayer, like Christ first- then they were able to know what the meaning of the Word was. I do not enough of those things
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Thank you very much for your research, Raoul. This actually reflects my own opinion about the Great Monarch "prophesies", but I never made a serious background check.
If it would not have been for the certain Gallicanization through the SSPX in the traditionalist world, I am sure these would never even have spread that much.
The parallels to Antichrist stroke me, too. It seemed to me that he would be a almost perfect precursor for the forces of the devil. The native population of Europe, and certainly the traditionalists, would welcome any regime warmly that is remotely conservative. And a strong figure, setting up a kind of semi-fascist, maybe even pan-European state, could appease the masses tired of modern liberalism, immigration and economic decline, while in the same time shaping the world perfectly for the coming of Antichrist, streamlining the various movements and nations, lulling them into a false peace with the odor of "how things were in the past".
Personally, I believe the Liberalist convention which we see triumphant since the 2nd World War and before is just the intermediary step, mainly made to break the culture and spirit, the faith, still remaining in the Old World.
But now we see the very opposite trend, an increasing rise of authorities and lesser and lesser false freedoms (which would not even be bad, taking by itself). Just look at Israel, for example. It is not that much of an liberal state, but nearly fascist, highly militarized, fanatically religious in secular or non-secular beliefs.
The anti-Mohammedanism seen today might very well be the beginning. After all, the great dislike for them is less caused because of their false faith or ethnicity, but largely because of some of their conservative values and because they have some kind of supernatural belief. Yet, it is precisely the extreme conservatives who wish to fight them. But in the end, they might as well battle against themselves.
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Much work, Raoul. You know that I have a little book and I concur with what you have researched. I am not convinced of a Great Monarch either.
As to the three horns, my little book identifies the three horns as Satan, the anti-Christ, and the anti-Christ's apostle. Of course, I haven't done anything like you have on this topic, so I don't know.
Very interesting. Thanks for all your hard work.
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Thanks Raoul for all your hard work.
I've given this subject some thought and Im strongly leaning toward your conclusion. First because there is no evidence of such a person as far as I know in sacred scripture. Secondly, if we are to believe what Our Blessed Mother revealed at Fatima, triumph over this present evil generation will only happen when Russia is properly consecrated to Her Immaculate Heart. Thirdly, the whole would will never be converted to the truth, the weeds will exist alongside the wheat up until the very end. Heresy will never be completely be eradicated. Scripture confirms this. Some Jews will persist in their errrors and hardness of heart until the coming of Elijah and Enoch (the end of world history). Also, I recall reading somewhere that the false prophet will be a Catholic Cardinal who is convert from Islam. He will murder the true Pope and usurp the Chair of St. Peter. I've even read that all the Church Fathers are in agreement on this point.
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When this idea hit me, it instantly intrigued me. There are verifiable prophecies about a Restoration of the Church, but not so much about the Great Monarch
I agree with this part. Here is Fr.Armidjon, writing in the late 1800's, even before Our Lady of Fatima promised an age of peace, who conducted a detailed study of Sacred Scripture and patristic Tradition and after pointing out the texts that say all nations shall enter the house of the Lord, worship on His holy mountain, that the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord etc, says this:
These texts are explicit and precise. It is clear from their testimony that there will come a time when all heresies and schisms will be overcome, and when the true religion will be known and practiced in all places illuminated by the sun.
Remember when a doctrine is proved from the deposit of revelation strictly so called, it can command our assent in a way that private revelation and prophecies of Saints do not. It most certainly seems to be the wonderful truth that in the age of Mary the empire of Jesus Christ will span the seven seas and extend over all the earth.
... What if our entire vision of the future is, therefore, totally wrong?
While I don't stake much in the specifics of the Great Monarch prophecies myself, I certainly see no discordance in them.
What, do you expect that secular republics will continue? Obviously, there will be Christians kingdoms and Catholic monarchs on earth in that day, obviously they will be the right arm of Holy Church and her Sovereign Pontiffs. What, then, exactly, is the cause for a stumbling block if there seem to be specific speculations about this or that king and this or that Pope?
The fact that the Great Monarch is an exact mirror of Antichrist, like a "good" Antichrist, also makes you wonder.
It shouldn't make you wonder. This is like Protestants who reasoned, since the Pope claims to be Vicar of Christ, he is AntiChrist, who wants to be like Christ and in his place.
Christian kings aim to be like Christ our Lord and spread His reign of peace and love over the earth. AntiChrist will be a worldly king who will spread the reign of death and terror over it. So the similarities are purely accidental, the essential differences quite profound.
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WARNING: I did not think it was wrong at the time, but I'm pretty sure some of the information presented in my original post was from non-Catholic scholars. I do not recall the books being openly hostile to the Catholic faith, nor polemical in favor of a false religion, but probably were written in a style that appeared objective. Namely the idea of the Sibyl's prophecy being repeated almost word-for-word in the works of others, was, though my memory is vague, probably not from a Catholic source.
I am involved in other things and don't want to do heavy research on this right now -- not to mention I just have almost no belief in the Great Monarch anymore and in fact believe this may be part of the myth used by Antichrist on his way to power, since the parallels to his life are obvious -- but I am just warning anyone who stumbles across it, that some of the above research used sources I would not use today, unless my priest told me I could.
So until I ask him and report back, please ignore the original post. I know Catholic scholars take advantage of the research of non-Catholics, but I am not authorized to do so at the moment, I don't think -- therefore my hands are tied and I can't really say much else.
However, one thing that at this point seems CERTAIN, is that the Great Monarch prophecies began with a Sibyl, which already for me is a bad sign. To go further in depth about this Sibyl, however, is impossible for me at the moment, as I'm just not sure what sources to rely upon.
The rest of what I have read about the Monarch does not have the ring of inspired Catholic prophecy to me; more like a combo of folk legend and wishful thinking. The exception would be the St. Francis of Paola letters; IF they can be proven to be authentic.
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What about the prophecies of Anna Maria Taigi ?
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Yes, PereJoseph. That's exactly what I was going to ask.
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I just came back on to say, I am not even sure that these prophecies or "prophecies" began with a Sibyl. I don't have a sure Catholic source for that.
So just ignore everything I've said except to be very wary and research each supposed prophecy.
I am getting much more advanced in Latin now and could translate Holzhauser, that may help me, in case he cites sources for his belief in the Great Monarch. But I read slowly and painfully, having to look up many words, and that is not where I want to spend my energy. I am not preoccupied with this topic anymore.
PereJoseph, from what I recall, Anna-Maria Taigi prophesizes a future Pope and the Three Days of Darkness or something like it, but not a Great Monarch, and it is by free-association that people tack the Monarch onto that. ( There is lots of free-association going on with this topic ). Elisabetta Canori-Mora, I believe, also prophesizes a Pope but no Great Monarch. And if a prophecy mentions a king that doesn't mean it is the GREAT Monarch, but again, people read him into everything whenever a future great king is mentioned.
Do not take my word for all this, I am fuzzy on the details. Do your own research. But the Taigi and Canori-Mora prophecies stuck me as quite authentic when I was on this track, and I am almost positive they did not mention a Great Monarch, though one or both mentions a future Pope. That is what I now believe, there will be a future Pope who may be the restrainer, and there may be kings in Europe again, but not a Great Monarch.
The Great Monarch idea fits all too neatly into sinister currents I see happening in France, and I am definitely on my guard here.
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Aye. What if these so-called prophecies are wrong?
Heaven and Hell are the only sure things we know of to come. That, and Judgement Day, of course.
We are Job. Our property and family is stripped away, and we are infected with maladies. God lets the Devil tests us.
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I think I'll use that last line in my signature.
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Sorry, the "restrainer" is not from the Douay-Rheims, bad habit citing that. I mean "what withholdeth." Maybe this has already been interpreted to the satisfaction of most Catholics, and it is the papacy or something else?
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I don't know if they are real supernatural prophecies, whether from God or the devil, or they are just kind of a folk tale that was passed down, or that cropped up at various times when people felt a need for it -- such as after the French Revolution, when Catholics dreamt of the return of the king. Or there could be a mix of real ones and fake ones, of course.
I would have to try to test each "prophecy" one by one, but I don't think I have enough information to do that. The best source I had was that book that was not Catholic; I should ask my priest if I can use that, as long as it shows no hostility to the faith. It appeared to be written in an objective style, but that can be deceiving.
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In regard to the speculation about the "Great Monarch", I leave the following apparitions for individual discernment.
http://kerizinen.free.fr/
(click on "The notebooks of Jeanne-Louise"
God bless.
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Sorry, the "restrainer" is not from the Douay-Rheims, bad habit citing that. I mean "what withholdeth." Maybe this has already been interpreted to the satisfaction of most Catholics, and it is the papacy or something else?
Yes, Raoul, that which "withholdeth" is the papacy according to Cardinal Manning in his 4 Lectures on "The Present Crisis of the Holy See, tested by prophecy", by Fr. Herman Bernard Kramer in his work on the Apocalypse The Book of Destiny (see chapter 12) and also by Rev. E. Sylvester Berry in The Apocalypse of St. John. This prophecy was determined by these prelates from the writings of the Fathers. Fr. H.B. Kramer cites his sources.
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Sorry, the "restrainer" is not from the Douay-Rheims, bad habit citing that. I mean "what withholdeth." Maybe this has already been interpreted to the satisfaction of most Catholics, and it is the papacy or something else?
Yes, Raoul, that which "withholdeth" is the papacy according to Cardinal Manning in his 4 Lectures on "The Present Crisis of the Holy See, tested by prophecy", by Fr. Herman Bernard Kramer in his work on the Apocalypse The Book of Destiny (see chapter 12) and also by Rev. E. Sylvester Berry in The Apocalypse of St. John. This prophecy was determined by these prelates from the writings of the Fathers. Fr. H.B. Kramer cites his sources.
According to many others that which "withholdeth" is the Roman Empire or the Christian Kings. It could be both of these things and the papacy at once. It definitely seems that the Holy See either needs a temporal defender or needs to bravely face open and violent persecution from a world that hates Our Lord. Then again, the temporal defenders of the Church work at the sufferance of the Roman Pontiff, yet they also secure his ability to project his influence across the world effectively. The two seem to need one another. The Church needs laymen to defend her interests in the courts and cities of the world. Likewise, laymen need the Church to know what to do in the first place. I could see an argument for either the Pope or a universal peace sustained by the hegemony of Catholic rulers being that which "withholdeth."
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According to many others that which "withholdeth" is the Roman Empire or the Christian Kings. It could be both of these things and the papacy at once. It definitely seems that the Holy See either needs a temporal defender or needs to bravely face open and violent persecution from a world that hates Our Lord. Then again, the temporal defenders of the Church work at the sufferance of the Roman Pontiff, yet they also secure his ability to project his influence across the world effectively. The two seem to need one another. The Church needs laymen to defend her interests in the courts and cities of the world. Likewise, laymen need the Church to know what to do in the first place. I could see an argument for either the Pope or a universal peace sustained by the hegemony of Catholic rulers being that which "withholdeth."
This is an excellent point, Pere Joseph. In fact, doesn't the King of France have everything to do with this? When the Monarchy was extinguished in the person of King Louis XVI in 1793, the temporal protection of the Church weakened.
The whole reason for St. Joan of Arc's mission was to save the sacred line of anointed kings in France. There are people today searching for and/or protecting the identity of the rightful heir to the throne.
Can you shed any light on this?
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In foreknowledge and providence. God sets both spiritual and temporal rulers according to the state of nations and the world.
Job 34:30
"Who maketh a man that is a hypocrite to reign for the sins of the people?"
Daniel 3:31-32
"Wherefore all that thou hast brought upon us, and every thing that thou hast done to us, thou hast done in true judgment: And thou hast delivered us into the hands of our enemies that are unjust, and most wicked, and prevaricators, and to a king unjust, and most wicked beyond all that are upon the earth."
The Most High has set a line of sacred monarchs and we know from various prophecies (including to Marie Julie Jahenney), eventually the French Monarchy will be restored concomitant with the age of peace and the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart.
I find the following revelations illuminating, but they are for your own discernment:
http://kerizinen.free.fr/
See "The Notebooks of Jeanne-Louise"
Also:
Saint Francisco de Paola of Italy (1416-1507), founder of the order of Minim friars, was a miracle worker whose spiritual graces included prophecy. In that wise, St. Francis foretold the rise of a great Christian military leader out of Italy sometime in the future:
"The great leader of the holy militia of the Holy Spirit shall overcome the world, and shall possess the earth so completely that no king or lord shall be able to exist, except that he belongs to the sacred host of the Holy Ghost. These devout men shall wear on their breasts, and much more within their hearts, the sign of the living God, namely, the Cross.
"The first members of this holy order shall be natives of the city where iniquity, vice and sin abound. However, they shall be converted from evil to good; from rebels against God they shall become most fervent and most faithful in His divine service. That city shall be cherished by God and by the Great Monarch, the elect and the beloved of the Most High Lord. For the sake of that place all holy souls who have done penance in it shall pray in the sight of God for that city and its inhabitants. When the time shall come of the immense and most right justice of the Holy Spirit, His Divine Majesty wills that such city become converted to God, and that many of its citizens follow the great prince of the holy army. The first person that will openly wear the sign of the living God shall belong to that city, because he will through a letter be commanded by a holy hermit to have it impressed upon his heart and to wear it externally on his breast.
"That man will begin to meditate on the secrets of God, about the long visitation which the Holy Spirit will make and the dominion that he will exercise over the world through the holy militia. O! happy man, who shall receive from the Most High the greatest privileges! He will interpret the hidden secrets of the Holy Ghost, and he shall often excite the admiration of men by his revealed knowledge of the internal secrets of their hearts. Rejoice, my Lord, because that Prince above other princes, and King over other kings, will hold you in the greatest veneration, and after having been crowned with three most admirable crowns, will exalt that city, will declare it free, and the seat of the Empire, and it shall become one of the first cities in the world...
"He shall be a first-born son; in his childhood he will be like a saint; in his youth, a great sinner; then he will be converted entirely to God and will do great penance; his sins will be forgiven him, and he will become a great saint.
"He shall be a great captain and prince of holy men, who shall be called "the holy Cross-bearers of Jesus Christ," with whom he shall destroy the Mahometan sect and the rest of the infidels. He shall annihilate all the heresies and tyrannies of the world. He shall reform the church of God by means of his followers, who shall be the best men upon earth in holiness, in arms, in science, and in every virtue, because such is the will of the Most High. They shall obtain the dominion of the whole world, both temporal and spiritual, and they shall support the Church of God until the end of time.
"God almighty shall exalt a very poor man of the blood of Emperor Constantine, son of St. Helena, and of the seed of Pepin, who shall on his breast wear a red Cross. Through the power of the Most High he shall confound the tyrants, the heretics, and infidels. He will gather a grand army, and the angels shall fight for them; they shall kill all God’s enemies.
"From the beginning of the world, after the creation of man, and to the end of human generations, there have been and there shall be seen wonderful events upon the earth. Four hundred years shall not pass when his Divine Majesty shall visit the world with a new religious order much needed, which shall effect more good among men than all other religious institutions combined. This religious order shall be the last and the best in the Church; it shall proceed with arms, with prayer, and with hospitality. Woe to tyrants, to heretics, and to infidels, to whom no pity shall be shown, because such is the will of the most high! An infinite number of wicked men shall perish through the hands of the Cross-bearers, the true servants of Jesus Christ. They shall act like good husbandmen when they extirpate noxious weeds and prickly thistles from the wheat field. Those holy servants of God shall purify the earth with the deaths of innumerable wicked men.
"How spiritually blind are those persons who, having no thought about things of God, fix their end in earthly objects. Wretched men! by far worse than the very beasts which are guided by their sense, because they cannot reason, they become brutalized. Hence they shall ever be in confusion. Let, therefore, the princes of this world be prepared for the greatest scourges to fall upon them. But from whom? First from heretics and infidels, then from the holy and most faithful Cross-bearers elected by the Most High, who, not succeeding in converting the heretics with science, shall have to make vigorous use of their arms. Many cities and villages shall be in ruins, with the deaths of an innumerable quantity of bad and good men. The infidels also shall fight against Christians and heretics, sacking, destroying, and killing the largest portion of Christians. Lastly, the army, styled "of the Church," namely, the holy Cross-bearers, shall move, not against Christians or Christianity, but against those infidels in pagan countries, and they shall conquer all those kingdoms with the death of a very great number of infidels. After this they shall turn their victorious arms against bad Christians, and destroy all the rebels against Jesus Christ.
These holy Cross-bearers shall reign and dominate holily over the world until the end of time... But when shall this take place? When crosses with the stigmas shall be seen, and the crucifix shall be carried as the standard... This standard will be admired by all good Catholics; but at the beginning it will be derided by bad Christians and by infidels. Their sneers shall, however, be changed into mourning when they shall witness the wonderful victories achieved through it against tyrants, heretics, and infidels... That man (the leader of the Crucifers) will be a great sinner in his youth, but like St. Paul he will be drawn and converted to God. He shall be the founder of a new religious order different from all the others. He shall divide it into three classes, namely:
(1) Military knights,
(2) Solitary priests,
(3) most pious hospitalers.
This shall be the last religious order of the Church, and it will do more good for our holy religion than all other religious institutes. By force of arms he shall take possession of a great kingdom. He shall destroy the sect of Mahomet, extirpate all tyrants and heresies. He shall bring the world to a more holy mode of life. There will be one fold and one Shepherd. He shall reign until the end of time. In the whole earth there shall be only twelve kings, one emperor, one pope. Rich gentlemen shall be few, but all saints."
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Supplementary:
Marie-Julie Jahenny: "The Blessed Virgin told me we
have to pray much to deflect the evils that must
fall upon France. It will unfortunately atone for two centuries of
political and social system of atheism, two
centuries of a non-Christian régime. Democracy
is indeed the Luciferian régime par excellence.
The sole régime of a divine origin never comes
from below, but only from above. Without
making a pun, let us say in its very name,
recognizes that it is the devil that guides 'demo'-cracy:
the devil is the master.”
Marie-Julie announced the return of the white
flag, the fleur de ly. ... (April 20, 1874)
In other words, France will suffer in atonement for the abolition of the monarchy and the Masonic democracy it accepted during the French Revolution. Our Lord later explained in different visions that France will not know true peace until the Great Monarch restores the monarchy symbolized by the royal standard of the fleur de ly.
"Ever since Louis XVI died on the scaffold,
France is threatened with danger and
misfortune.” Our Lord to Marie-Julie, May 28, 1877
See also:
http://www.marie-julie-jahenny.fr/scapular-of-blessing-and-protection.htm
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St Paola is the most powerful saint no one's ever heard of. He was a huge part of Louis XI's life and helped him die a Christian death. If you read his biography, it took a miracle just to keep him so well hidden for so long. Not unlike how expertly the Great Emperor has been hidden up to now (but not for much longer).
Get ready! :dwarf:
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Thank you for posting this Raoul. And thank you for confirming my instinct about the 'Great Monarch' prophecies.
But I have gone one step further than you, and have now decided to discount all prophecies which refer to a restoration of the Church and Christendom. Just like the 'Great Monarch', the 'Restoration' prophecies could reflect a great deal of wishful thinking. And they could also be a ploy of Satan, to distract Catholics from what is really going on, which is that Vatican II is the 'revolt' warned about by St Paul in 2Thessalonians and all that implies
According to the Church Fathers, the Antichrist will claim to be a man of God and a bringer of peace who will unite all the nations and put an end to conflict. Could the 'Restoration' prophecies be softening up Catholics to accept him? It is the same question you asked of the 'Great Monarch' prophecies.
I personally know a number of Trads who are convinced that the rise of the Antichrist is far away in some distant future. They cite the 'Great Monarch' prophecies and the 'Restoration' prophecies as evidence of this, or even proof of this. But if Vatican II is the 'revolt' and the 'one who holds' who has to be 'taken out of the way' refers to the Pope, then it is clear where we are. There will be no restoration before the Parousia.
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St Paola is the most powerful saint no one's ever heard of. He was a huge part of Louis XI's life and helped him die a Christian death. If you read his biography, it took a miracle just to keep him so well hidden for so long. Not unlike how expertly the Great Emperor has been hidden up to now (but not for much longer).
Get ready! :dwarf:
Could you give some more specific information about this ? From what line do you think he comes ? Or are you positing that he must exist due to prophecies and philosophy, etc. ?
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Pere, I'm mostly using deduction from the various prophecies. I may have some special knowledge on the subject but it's not an iron clad "Vision from God" or the like. Time will tell! The Soviets are at the very gates of WWIII so while I think things are about to get much worse, the Monarch is at the very least a ray(Rey?) of hope and something positive to latch onto. He will not use his crown to glorify himself, but to fully restore the Church and to glorify God. That is, if the volumes of prophecy regarding him are anywhere close to the truth.
It's my belief he won't be humanly traceable until it's time for him to make an entrance. If Our Lady is keeping him hidden, it's fruitless to try weed him out before his time. It is after all for his own protection. That also means he won't have anything in the way of a recognized genealogy. Remember, he will be "treated like a servant" and will be "very poor!" Probably the only way to figure it out would be a blood test or by some miracle there's a discovered missing link in his family tree.
Sorry I couldn't provide you with more detail!
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The Soviets are at the very gates of WWIII so while I think things are about to get much worse,
I've read your comments about the "Soviets" on several threads. Current Russia is the antithesis of the Bolshevik jew-founded Soviet regime, which slaughtered 10s of millions of Christians. The errors of Russia have now immersed the U.S. and much of the EU, including France, but that's not to say the Crown of Lilies will not rise out of France. I believe he will and help establish the Social Reign of Christ, but right now, France and almost all of the West are judaized, rotten warmongers and thieves. Putin, on the other hand, saved Syria from falling completely to the prey of U.S.-British, Israeli and Saudi-backed forces known as al-Nusra Front & FSA and "ISIS", thus he has currently saved much of the minority Christian population from being pillaged to death in Syria. Furthermore, Putin has banned pervert (fag) marriages, public display of same perversions and propaganda; and Putin has criminalized any public mockery of the Church. That's not the "errors of Russia". Just look at the U.S and EU countries to see the diabolical.
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I've read your comments about the "Soviets" on several threads. Current Russia is the antithesis of the Bolshevik jew-founded Soviet regime, which slaughtered 10s of millions of Christians. The errors of Russia have now immersed the U.S. and much of the EU, including France, but that's not to say the Crown of Lilies will not rise out of France. I believe he will and help establish the Social Reign of Christ, but right now, France and almost all of the West are judaized, rotten warmongers and thieves. Putin, on the other hand, saved Syria from falling completely to the prey of U.S.-British, Israeli and Saudi-backed forces known as al-Nusra Front & FSA and "ISIS", thus he has currently saved much of the minority Christian population from being pillaged to death in Syria. Furthermore, Putin has banned pervert (fag) marriages, public display of same perversions and propaganda; and Putin has criminalized any public mockery of the Church. That's not the "errors of Russia". Just look at the U.S and EU countries to see the diabolical.
Putin is no more a religious conservative than Bush was. They both make a show of it for political purposes. The Soviet Union never went away, it only went Machiavellian on us.
KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn's work, starting in the 1960's has made claims and predictions about Russia's moves that have been startlingly accurate over the years. One man went so far as to list out all his predictions and lined them up with what had transpired up to through the 90's and found his accuracy well in the 90's, fittingly.
Another interesting source is Yuri Bezmenov (Tomas Schuman) who defected to Canada in the 70's and who became something of a traveling lecturer, wrote a book, made some videos in the 80's and promptly disappeared.
A great blog for this is https://thecontemplativeobserver.wordpress.com
At any rate, Putin is not Catholic. He's not a king either, more like an "elected" dictator. Of course he knows very well how low the west has fallen... the soviets engineered a great deal of it! He will use his rhetoric to fool people into believing Russia is some bastion of conservative Christian ideals, all the while Russia maintains their gold medal status in abortion rates, twice the murder rate than that of the continental US, vast crime networks, open mob warfare, convenient assassination of dissenters (Litvinenko for one), Poland's entire resistance to the EU going down in flames on Russian soil, etc...
Speaking of Litvinenko, do you remember the element used to kill him? Polonium-210. Arafat was found to have elevated levels found on his belongings after testing a few years back and it was one of the radiactive elements found in the remains of Turkish president Turgut Ozal upon his exhumation. The soviets are in complete control of the world situation, we're just puppets.
Gorbachev by the way remains an avowed Leninist to this day and a big proponent of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr to boot. He named dropped St Francis ("Spirit of Assisi", Pope "Francis" coincidence?) to Reagan and Reagan thought he must be some closeted Christian, only years later did he finally quash that implication. Glasnost was a complete ruse.
The west has been completely demoralized. You'll get no argument from me there. We can't even expect men and women to use separate restrooms! We are ripe for the taking and will suffer immensely before it gets better for us. France despite it's secularization, still has social structures in place that the US doesn't. Shops are closed on Sundays, it's illegal to wear a burka, and thanks to the Briand-Ceretti Agreement, the French president can actually nominate bishops for the Pope's approval. When you factor in her patron saints, it becomes even more clear that God had intended France for greater things. To start, you had St. Mary Magdalene with the Holy Myrrh-bearers, and St. Lazarus arriving on her southern shore. St. Martin of Tours, whose act of tearing his military cloak in order to clothe a beggar, laid the etymological basis for the word chapel and chaplain today (cappella means little cape in Latin). St Remi was the saint who baptized Clovis and whose hometown became the site of kingly coronations. Then of course there's Joan of Arc. It may be hard to see due to her present state, but France is destined for incredible things yet!
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I've read your comments about the "Soviets" on several threads. Current Russia is the antithesis of the Bolshevik jew-founded Soviet regime, which slaughtered 10s of millions of Christians. The errors of Russia have now immersed the U.S. and much of the EU, including France, but that's not to say the Crown of Lilies will not rise out of France. I believe he will and help establish the Social Reign of Christ, but right now, France and almost all of the West are judaized, rotten warmongers and thieves. Putin, on the other hand, saved Syria from falling completely to the prey of U.S.-British, Israeli and Saudi-backed forces known as al-Nusra Front & FSA and "ISIS", thus he has currently saved much of the minority Christian population from being pillaged to death in Syria. Furthermore, Putin has banned pervert (fag) marriages, public display of same perversions and propaganda; and Putin has criminalized any public mockery of the Church. That's not the "errors of Russia". Just look at the U.S and EU countries to see the diabolical.
Putin is no more a religious conservative than Bush was. They both make a show of it for political purposes.
Well, I agree Putin is not a "religious conservative" because he is a Russian Orthodox, whose very theology is the antithesis of the fake religious conservatism of the West. This so-called religious conservatism is not orthodox / traditional in any real sense, rather it's a religious posture designed to perpetuate a political expression and policy, hence neo-conservatism. Moreover, I never saw Bush take actions to ban fαɢɢօtry in public places, ban pervert "marriages", nor reprimand people for publicly mocking the Church and blaspheming Christ. However, I have seen him literally holding hands with a despotic leader and oil baron who outlaws any Christian material - Bibles, Crucifixes, Rosaries, etc - in his country (Saudi Arabia). So, INDEED, Bush was/is a fake religious conservative.
KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn's work, starting in the 1960's has made claims and predictions about Russia's moves that have been startlingly accurate over the years. One man went so far as to list out all his predictions and lined them up with what had transpired up to through the 90's and found his accuracy well in the 90's, fittingly.
Sorry, that sort of proves my point about the Soviet jew-controlled regime that predated Putin, who is the antithesis of Soviet marxism. The Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, but not all of the cronies in power were eradicated at the same time. Putin didn't rise to power until the very late 90s.
Gorbachev by the way remains an avowed Leninist to this day and a big proponent of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr to boot. He named dropped St Francis ("Spirit of Assisi", Pope "Francis" coincidence?) to Reagan and Reagan thought he must be some closeted Christian, only years later did he finally quash that implication. Glasnost was a complete ruse.
So you're conflating a Soviet-era deceiver with Putin and modern day Russia? Again, how is current Russia propagating the cultural Marxism of yore, which is now a massive pathogenic fungus growing out of the U.S., Western Hemisphere and much of Europe? I'm not saying Russia is a Catholic utopia, nor is Putin a saint, but I don't see any of the world's threats and problems stemming from Russian subterfuge. And don't try to mention Ukraine, because the whole problem there is a Western-backed coup, at the behest of Christ-hating jew Victoria Nuland, et al, of a legitimately elected Ukrainian president who rejected inclusion to the parasitic EU, and rather had loyalties to Moscow. And Crimea was long part of Russia - longer than the U.S. has even been a nation - with many ethnic Russians. Moreover, Russia has a treaty allowing their naval fleet there until the year 2042 with a 5 year extension option. Russia has a right to protect its Russian people and interests in Crimea, and protect its energy sources in nearby Russian territories.
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By all means do visit that link I posted for the Contemplative Observer. He's had living experience in Russia and is shouting at the top of lungs that we are greatly decieved about Russia's true objectives. Pics of government buildings that still have soviet iconography, the hammer and sickle included. Ominous speeches by Putin and Gorby (who is not simply some post-soviet artifact). Just a few months back there was a minor headline about a Russian Orthodox monastery rolling out Stalin calendars for 2015!
Also, please go and read some of what Golytsin was saying. We are too eager to take in what we see on the news at face value. Once you truly understand Leninist tactics, you'll realize that there's no depth the Soviets will not sink to in order to destroy their enemy.
And lets talk about the Ukraine! Let's talk about how Russia is forcing Ukrainians to pay through the nose for gas. Let's talk about how even the west is so thoroughly Marxist that all of these conflicts amount to petrushkas on the world stage. Do we really have to go into detail about Obama? If you want to tell me he doesn't have traceable communist connections, I'll be glad to provide them for you... for a fee of course!
Since you seem to be keen on Hegelian dialectic, thesis/antithesis and such, what is socialism if not the go-to synthesis of the Soviet nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr? It doesn't take much effort to peel back the curtains on someone like Obama to realize the incredible ties our government has with hardcore communism. At this advanced stage, with years and years of dictatorial executive orders (only to be used in national emergencies!), joint Russian-Chinese-American military initiatives, false-flag terror attacks, race war baiting, gender wars, feminism, all it would take is a hiccup in our direction to set the end game in motion. Victimology is the opiate of the socialist masses. We have so many self-defined proletariats running around screaming for the heads of their imagined bourgeoisie oppressors that it's a wonder we haven't turned into a permanent third world riot zone. As we reject the final vestiges of civil authority, we'll get to see what a real authoritarian military force looks like.
I'm not sure how jews being involved with the founding of communism precludes a false political demise. I think you're mistaken if you believe that once the Jews weren't as publically associated with the movement, the ship would right itself for the most part. The Jews are most definitely a big issue, but they are not the greatest problem at hand. They become formidable only when attached to other causes.
The Jews have always been with us. We know they are nothing without stronger forces to ally themselves with. They did it with Rome when they put Christ to death with the aid of the empire, they did it with Islam to help persecute the Church, they built up Protestantism to seduce and pillage, and they aim to completely eclipse the Church with the Satanic Soviet. It could be argued that all of these monstrosities were golems created in part by the Jews, but it's obvious that they've taken up a life of their own. Jews don't have that much control; Satan uses them up as he deems necessary and discards them when convenient. They are certainly in the mix, but they will scatter quickly once this stone is overturned. What will they do when the good Monarch outlaws usury? My hunch is that they will be accustomed to begging on the streets.
Right now the strong man is Soviet Russia. Tie him up, and the rest will crumble. It might be the reason why the Fatima message didn't have a whole lot to say about Jews and everything to do with the consecration of Russia.
In my experience, discussions that devolve into "jew this, jew that" or "antithesis here, antithesis there" tend to miss the forest for the trees. The time is nearly up for this beast and he is champing on the bit.
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He's had living experience in Russia and is shouting at the top of lungs that we are greatly decieved about Russia's true objectives.
I can think of just as many people who lived in Russia that would argue the opposite of what he says...
We are too eager to take in what we see on the news at face value.
I agree, which is why Americans should not watch, nor listen, to any jew-owned Mockingbird mainstream media that has a pathology of spewing lies about Russia and the unfolding crisis in Ukraine. I never take our media liars at face value, nor any value for that matter. It would behoove you to watch this regarding the fake news:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/EC_cgxtkTRE[/youtube]
And lets talk about the Ukraine! Let's talk about how Russia is forcing Ukrainians to pay through the nose for gas.
Sorry, but FAIL, for that's only after the U.S./EU installed a jew puppet, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, as prime minister after their coup of a legitimate, freely elected Ukrainian government, however, right before the coup of Ukraine's legit president, Russia gave Ukraine very cheaply priced gas. See here:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russia-gives-ukraine-cheap-gas-15-billion-in-loans-333852.html
Moreover, Russia has every right to currently impose higher gas prices on a nation who is currently acting as a U.S. proxy for war against Russia.
Learn about modern day mass murder and financial corruption by a triple Ukrainian-Israeli-Cypriot citizen, who is also a bankster and fracker, and his cohorts in genocide - Joe Biden, Biden's son, and ex-Israeli Defense Force mercenaries. http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=970
Let's talk about how even the west is so thoroughly Marxist that all of these conflicts amount to petrushkas on the world stage. Do we really have to go into detail about Obama? If you want to tell me he doesn't have traceable communist connections
I know.. which is why I previously said that Russia's errors have spread to America. The anti-Christ political system and cultural Marxism of the U.S. is systemic, and the growing police state and surveillance against Americans is another symptom. But you're wrong about Obama being a Russian puppet, rather he is a puppet for the ѕуηαgσgυє, Saudi Arabia, Military Industrial Complex, and a host of central banks including The Fed, Bank of England and Bank of International Settlements (BIS). Educate yourself on why Obama criminally spearheaded an attack against Libya, and you will see how he's a puppet for the BIS.
You're preaching to the choir about Obama, fαℓѕє fℓαgs, victimology , etc.
what is socialism if not the go-to synthesis of the Soviet nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr
The former Soviet Union was a victim of the "socialism" (Marxism) of which you speak, not the creator of it. This Marxist socialism is essentially a political expression of anti-Christ jewry, but disguised as a political movement & economic ideology that also effects the goyim to be in a servitude to the state (usurped by Christ-hating jews). This parallels the teachings of the тαℓмυd that jews are superior to non-jews, and non-jews only exist to serve jews - the "chosen ones". Capitalism is also a false dichotomy to Marxism, for Wall St. and The Fed are saturated with jews who effect a corporate plutocracy over a nation, while brainwashing the herd that they live in a "democracy" and "free economic system". The jews establish themselves in all angles to effect their anti-Christ agenda and hegemony over the world.
I think you're mistaken if you believe that once the Jews weren't as publically associated with the movement, the ship would right itself for the most part.
Majority of the people in the Soviet government were not jews anyway, at least after the Revolution, but Marxism, which was founded and pioneered disproportionately by jews, was all that these people knew many decades afterwards, up until 1991. It was their identity and creed (as intended), but when the Soviet system collapsed, many people realized the slavery of Marxism and the jews who were behind its pathology.
They [jews] become formidable only when attached to other causes.
That's what jews do... like ticks, they attack themselves to hosts. They use and drain the host until it's destroyed. It's parasitism. They manipulate the host for their (jews) own good.
Right now the strong man is Soviet Russia. Tie him up, and the rest will crumble. It might be the reason why the Fatima message didn't have a whole lot to say about Jews and everything to do with the consecration of Russia.
Russia's errors have already spread, hence Our Lady of Fatima's warning has come to fruition. It's called (not necessarily in chronological order of history): the formation of the Soviet Union.....Soviet satellite nations of eastern Europe falling under Marxism.....the Korean and Vietnam Wars.....China falling under Marxism.....the Cold War.....Marxist conflicts in central America such as Honduras & Nicaragua..... and cultural Marxism and social & political statism (that is Marxist-centric) heavily infiltrating the U.S. Such examples: Catholics on DoD's "domestic extremist" list.....Systemic anti-Christ agenda (promotion of jewry while anything Christian is censored, attacked, ridiculed, etc).....TSA molesting people at airports.....DHS.....NSA spying.....Attempts to take away our guns.....Abortion.....fαɢɢօt Mafia spreading its perversions.....Obama"care".....Contrived system to put more people on food stamps - make people more dependent on govt'.... etc. etc. However, Our Lady never gave a definitive time frame on how long it would last. "By their fruits, you shall know them." Again, in current times, Russia, in important ways, has been the antithesis of spreading errors that now permeate the U.S./West.
You have not given any evidence of Russia being the source of the world's ills. Your views are based on prejudice, speculation and confirmation bias, and you've probably invested much of your identity into this view on "Soviet Russia", so it will probably be very hard for you to shed yourself of this thinking.
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The Ukraine is billions in debt to Gazprom. They've already received a false bailout (17 billion) from the IMF before all this even started. You know, that good ol' debt slavery! Then Russia saw fit to saddle her with even more debt, which threatens to wipe out the last of her national reserves. Gas prices might be fixed at a lower rate until March, but Ukraine was just forced to make a 1.3 billion dollar payment as a first installment to GP, with another 1.7 due by year's end. Doesn't sound like a bargain to me!
But then again, it serves them right for daring to go against sweet conservative christian nation Mother Russia!
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Russia is not an antithesis of Marxism or Soviet Communism or Socialism. If you can establish it as an antithesis of anything, please do. I will say they've succeeded in making people believe it's a social conservative bulwark (just like they were a liberal bulwark in the beginning) so that they'll beg for a savior to deliver them from their rotten society (which was also demoralized by the Soviets). It's more like a false synthesis of "free market", oligarchy with close state ties (or you go to gulag!), with phony elections to let people think they can play in the receding waters of an impending tsunami. You simply cannot skip over the multitudes of issues they've got going on. While yes, they don't particularly have a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity problem from what I can gather (that propaganda was reserved specifically for the West), again, they are the world leaders in abortion among other things. Not remotely Catholic! Don't be surprised that he's lockstep with the clergy and vice-versa; the Russian Orthodox have long been a controlled state entity.
You say Russia's lies have spread to America
and You have not given any evidence of Russia being the source of the world's ills.
Do you honestly expect us to believe that Russia has overcome her own lies without a consecration? Did I miss the part where they banned jews from holding public office, stopped usury, abortion, etc..? This is simply untenable if you have any trust in the Fatima message. You might not be joking, but you can't be taken seriously.
You throw around word antithesis, but you don't bother with thesis or synthesis, so I'm fairly certain you don't have a solid handle on the concept. The goal is always synthesis. So if Russia is indeed an antithesis, then it is merely to set up a greater deception that everyone will accept. I believe it's just a prelude to all out global war at which time, all thesis/antithesis/synthesis will fall away to reveal the hard nugget of Soviet Communism. No compromises. We might well take Putin's advice and teach our wives to make cabbage soup.
So now onto Obama...
First, Obama hails from one of the big three Communist hotbed cities in the US, Chicago (the other two being New york and San Francisco) and went to one of the most liberal colleges in the US, Columbia University. We have next to nothing from his years in college in the way of writing or earned accomplishments. In 1995, Obama happened to strike up a working relationship with Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn, both known former leaders of the Weather Underground during it's peak terrorist years. Bill's also rumored to have been the ghostwriter of "Dreams of My Father", Jack Cashill made some pretty good research into that. There's his fond recollections of "Frank", an intimate friend of grandpa Dunham. His full name was Frank Marshall Davis and he was one of the most eminent hardcore American Communists of the 50's, 60's and 70's. Obamacare is nothing but state-controlled price gouging healthscare, and his continual endorsement of the false black proletariat narrative is also helping to incite more civil unrest among the black community as well as the rest of the lobotomized liberal community.
Now jews are certainly involved, but you have to take down the real power that shields them and every other abomination that's rearing it's ugly head. If all we had to worry about was the Israeli army, the most cowardly military power on the face of the earth, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Thanks to the OP for an insightful post! Most of those who I know who are really "into" the Great Monarch, were led in that direction by Yves DuPont. One thing that always bothered me about DuPont is that he egregiously plaguerized the work of Immanuel Velokofsky in regard to catastrophic geology, without giving him credit.
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I know you mean well, but to be honest given how much time and effort you have dedicated to the topic. It seems to me and correct me if I am wrong. Are you doing it an effort to draw others away from false-private revelation or to convince yourself that it is not true. If this is so, then it might not be so bad.
Read this article, https://books.google.com/books?id=5Vk_AAAAYAAJ&dq=the%20casuist%20moral%20cases&pg=PA123#v=onepage&q&f=false .
If you have scruples I would say that it would be wise, to not read any of that sort of material. Force yourself to read something else, now this problem tends to be more of an issue with women. I can't tell you how many I have spoken to, mostly middle aged house wives. The mothers of many my acquaintances/friends, all of them read private revelation to their own destruction. They have imbibed so much heresy as a result of it, now there are many who are actually doctrinally sound, and always interpret even false private revelation with the mind of the Church. So to these other individuals it is never going to harm them, but still I would say that it is generally a waste of time. Better to read a Catechism of the Summa, or other spiritual/doctrinal books that are much more sound in theology.
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The Ukraine is billions in debt to Gazprom.....
How is that the fault of Russia? And your bringing up IMF doesn't help your argument. IMF is the enemy of Russia. IMF, who greatly contributed to the debt slavery of Ukraine, is also trying to undermine Russia. IMF is part of the same cabal who waged a coup against a legitimate Ukrainian presidency with loyalty to Russia. And what part of, "Russia has every right to raise prices on gas against a Ukrainian govt/nation acting as a proxy for war against Russia", do you not understand? Your "logic" is that of blaming an innocent man for putting the children of a drunken man in near destitution, when the drunkard started a fight with the innocent man, but the drunkard ended up getting severely whooped and in the hospital, thus having to miss work for 3 weeks, hence no income. None of that would have happened if it were not for the belligerence and aggression of the drunkard. The blame for the children having to suffer lies with the drunken father, not the man who justifiably defends himself.
Russia is not an antithesis of Marxism or Soviet Communism or Socialism. If you can establish it as an antithesis of anything, please do
Ok. Simple. I'll reiterate, AGAIN, the most clear cut antithesis of current Russia to the Godlessness and cultural Marxism of the former Soviet Union. The Soviet state officially denied Our Lord. They state mandated atheism everywhere and persecuted the Church. Russia now criminalizes any public mockery of the Church and blasphemy of Christ. Putin promotes the Church in Russia. Soviet Marxist thesis: "No God"... worship the state... attack all that is Christian. Putin's Russia antithesis: God exists... participate in worship to Him... reprimand anyone who offends the Lord and the Church. The Synthesis: More God-loving and God-fearing people... a people who begin to adhere to what is Holy again, even if the longing for Him is just in its genesis... a more virtuous people who come to realize why they're created - to know, love, serve and worship the Lord with all of their strength. To fulfill Our Lord's true plans for their lives. No better synthesis than that...
You lose, again.
Do you honestly expect us to believe that Russia has overcome her own lies without a consecration?
This is a strawman argument because I never said Russia has undergone a full conversion to the Catholic Faith. The Blessed Virgin Mary said Russia's consecration to her Immaculate Heart is necessary for their conversion. However, even when no such consecration has taken place, that doesn't mean other prayers for Russia have no efficacy, for Christ hears all sincere prayers, thus we cannot rule out the prayers of some of the faithful, where Our Lord might respond and shed His graces upon Russia, so she begins to become a nation that acknowledges Him, and resists some of the evils that once plagued it. Christ even said we can move mountains if we had the Faith of a mustard seed.
So now onto Obama...
How many times do I have to clearly explain that Obama is an evil Sock Puppet? You're preaching to the choir about him. He pushes for systemic cultural Marxism; and politically and economically, he pushes for Marxist socialism at the grassroots level; however, the elite level enjoys the benefits and powers of a corporate technocratic plutocracy controlling the whole anti-Christ and anti-human system.
Now jews are certainly involved, but you have to take down the real power that shields them and every other abomination that's rearing it's ugly head. If all we had to worry about was the Israeli army, the most cowardly military power on the face of the earth, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If one event can explain who, indeed, are the most cunning deceivers threatening world peace and the sovereignty of the USA, it is the 9/11 attacks. Who was behind 9/11? Not "Soviet Russia"... not Putin... not the KGB disguising themselves as stand-up guys. No, rather it was the perfidious jews (dual Israeli-American citizens) and Israel who were primarily involved in the attacks and coverup of 9/11. Saudi Arabia was also involved but to a lesser extent. These neocon jews are the same demons who manipulate geopolitical events of strategic importance around the world, including Ukraine as I've already proven.
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Allow me to quote the St John Vianney for a moment when I say "Poor man!"
God never used or will use Hegelian dialect for anything. What He does, He does unequivocally, boldly and powerfully. Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis are tools of deception and seduction (of which you are an unfortunate victim). By admitting Russia is using this structure, you've already ceded that Russia's actions are not from Heaven.
What madness is it, to finally admit that Ukraine is in fact paying through the nose, only to say they deserve it? Did you know Ukraine is about 60 times the Catholic nation that Russia is? They have about 3 different variations of Catholicism (all supported by SSPX, recognized by the Vatican) and even the smallest one at about one million members dwarves the entire Russian Catholic demographic!
Most recent estimates I've been able to find for Catholics in Russia put it at about 150,000 total, with approximately 10,000 attending Mass on a regular basis. Foreign Catholics within Russia might compromise almost one-third of even that total. Even the Jews appear to have higher numbers! From all indications, the Catholic population has shriveled since the Russian Federation took over.
Your glorious Russian acquisition of Crimea has yielded a handful of kidnapped Catholic priests, burnt churches and an oppressed Catholic population. You're applauding that?
Your pride has exceeded your knowledge of this matter and eclipsed the intelligence God gave you because you just want to win an internet argument. Don't you dare come back into this discussion with more of this worthless Russian propaganda and tail-chasing logic. It would go easier for for you if you simply said you weren't Catholic and didn't believe in the Fatima message. Otherwise, what a miserable excuse unworthy of the affiliation! Trad card revoked! lol.
Get it through your culpably ignorant skull; Our Lady called for the conversion of Russia. Rogue, anti-Catholic state R-U-S-S-I-A. No amount of "half conversions" will do. She would no more use anti-catholic "Orthodox" heretics to spread her devotion than anti-catholic Protestants and the like in the West.
As far as the rest of your hackneyed YouTube(RT?)-fueled library of theories, without the lens of Fatima they are worthless. Nothing can be left off the table when it comes to Russia's deceit and treachery.
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Allow me to quote the St John Vianney for a moment when I say "Poor man!"
God never used or will use Hegelian dialect for anything. What He does, He does unequivocally, boldly and powerfully. Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis are tools of deception and seduction (of which you are an unfortunate victim). .
Another strawman argument from you. First, Hegelian dialectic is a manufactured Problem - Reaction - "Solution" (that's a fake solution and meant to create more problems, thus evoking more reactions and "solutions") which is a means of deceiving and manipulating the herd into supporting actions based on a pretext, in order to effect a hidden agenda that benefits only those who orchestrated the Hegelian dialectic in the first place. 9/11 is a quintessential Hegelian dialectic.
You're the one (fallaciously) conflating thesis, antithesis, synthesis with Hegelian dialectic as explained above, as to control the narrative and thereby "win" an argument over a position that I'm not making. I never said Our Lord came up with the Hegelian dialectic to make Russia into a nation that accepts Him again. I merely pointed out Russia (promoting God) is the antithesis of former Soviet Union (denying God & persecuting Church). Then you try to conflate this with a Hegelian dialectic... as if this is my position. :laugh2: FAIL !! and very underhanded of you.
Of course, you ignore the imperative point being made regarding 9/11 and who was really behind it in my last post, for this is the Litmus Test. You know that if you're confronted with such test, you would be forced to realize the truth of the matter. So your cognitive dissonance makes you run away yelling "blah blah blah blah" with your phalanges stuck in your ears.
As for the rest of your drivel, which I did not bother to read, my only appropriate response is, :read-paper: , for I'm now done with you. The rest of your red herring and other logical fallacy-laden posts will be met with :sleep:
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Another strawman argument from you. First, Hegelian dialectic is a manufactured Problem - Reaction - "Solution" (that's a fake solution and meant to create more problems, thus evoking more reactions and "solutions") which is a means of deceiving and manipulating the herd into supporting actions based on a pretext, in order to effect a hidden agenda that benefits only those who orchestrated the Hegelian dialectic in the first place. 9/11 is a quintessential Hegelian dialectic.
You're the one (fallaciously) conflating thesis, antithesis, synthesis with Hegelian dialectic as explained above, as to control the narrative and thereby "win" an argument over a position that I'm not making. I never said Our Lord came up with the Hegelian dialectic to make Russia into a nation that accepts Him again. I merely pointed out Russia (promoting God) is the antithesis of former Soviet Union (denying God & persecuting Church). Then you try to conflate this with a Hegelian dialectic... as if this is my position. :laugh2: FAIL !! and very underhanded of you.
No strawmen here, but your tinny reasoning rings hollow. You've proven to have no mind for the the real story in Russia and the Ukraine, no heart for supporting an openly anti-Catholic regime, and no courage to admit your bumbling mistakes. You're not in Kansas anymore! Russia is not "promoting God", their god is the Satanic Soviet and they are persecuting the Church almost to extinction. What a tremendous embarrassment you've caused yourself over all this.
Of course it never occurred to you the natural conclusions of your backward statements. You're not used to thinking that far ahead!
Hegelian dialectic is the term commonly referred to describe the use of thesis/antithesis/synthesis. It's not associated with anything else. Did you think you invented it yourself and can apply it willy-nilly? You then tried to pull back and use "antithesis" as simply an opposite of pre-1991 Soviet Russia (never mind the fact you actually went through the trouble to outline your Hegelian framework for it) and still fall flat on your face. In many ways as I have amply illustrated to you, it's even worse today. Russia is promoting a false god in a heretical religion. They abhor Catholicism so without the true faith, they don't have a true God.
An anti-Catholic "Orthodox" God? Keep your vomit off my shoes.
Of course, you ignore the imperative point being made regarding 9/11 and who was really behind it in my last post, for this is the Litmus Test. You know that if you're confronted with such test, you would be forced to realize the truth of the matter. So your cognitive dissonance makes you run away yelling "blah blah blah blah" with your phalanges stuck in your ears.
9/11 won't help you one bit. I ignored it because you're not framing it in the correct context. Fatima ought to be your litmus test. Compared to what is coming, it's a mere backyard squabble. Russia has positioned itself perfectly as the gatekeeper of the conspiracy to further seduce the public into a false sense of the real threat in the world. You think Russia and Israel are sworn enemies? Will you read anything without a bouncy ball on top?
for I'm now done with you.
Good! No one asked for your filthy garbage Russian rhetoric. Crawl back to the compost heap you slithered out from under. Better luck next time, comrade!
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Now back to the Monarch...
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No strawmen here, but....
Somebody pointed out to me the idiocy of your last post, and I really debated to myself whether I should respond, and I will respond with more truth.
Strawman "Croix"alist says
...no heart for supporting an openly anti-Catholic regime...
Modern Russia is not opposed to Catholicism, rather they're opposed to the NWO Conciliar church that is a wolf in sheep's clothing, aligning her harlot self, behind closed doors, with war-mongering, zionist, usurious, culturally marxist, anti-Christ nations in the EU, and the US and Israel, while she spews typical abstract rhetoric with positive connotations, such as, "we must return to peace", designed to make herself look "righteous" to the many novus ordo catholics, and others in the West, who are lost in their diabolical disorientation.
As for the rest of what you wrote in that paragraph, it needs no response because it's non substantive, illogical drivel packaged to make you sound "right". Another utter FAIL. :laugh1:
Strawman "Croix"alist says
Hegelian dialectic is the term commonly referred to describe the use of thesis/antithesis/synthesis. It's not associated with anything else. Did you think you invented it yourself and can apply it willy-nilly? You then tried to pull back and use "antithesis" as simply an opposite of pre-1991 Soviet Russia (never mind the fact you actually went through the trouble to outline your Hegelian framework for it) and still fall flat on your face.
You were the one who tried conflating Hegelian dialectic with my use of "antithesis" (which is Russia) to the former Soviet Union. I used that term independently from Hegelian dialectic, but you, in your deceptive strawman argumentation, tried to bait me by declaring who was the thesis, and thus, what could be the synthesis? Naturally, anyone with some degree of cognition could see the answers to that (baited) question, but I answered the obvious anyway, and my answer was not in regard to a Hegelian dialectic. It was merely saying Russia is the antithesis of Soviet Union because the former promotes Our Lord, while the latter denied Him openly (thesis), and thus the synthesis can be the genesis of more God-loving and God-fearing people again in Russia. Moreover, these words and concepts - thesis, antithesis, synthesis - are NOT exclusive to Hegelian dialectic.
You lose, again. :laugh2:
Strawman "Croix"alist says
Fatima ought to be your litmus test.
I believe in Fatima. However, Catholics are not obligated to believe any apparition, rather these few apparitions are deemed by the Church to be believable, and contain no errors that contradict, nor could be harmful to, the Faith. Moreover, and again, Our Lady never specified how long "Russia will spread her errors". Your problem is you have a preconceived notion about what Our Lady was warning the world. And perhaps when this warning, apropos to Russia, comes to fruition, but doesn't match your little mind's preconceived notion, then you won't believe it. That is lack of Faith on your part! Objectively, we can see Russia has already spread those errors (see by previous comment), which includes infiltration of the U.S. and using the whore America as a proxy.
Strawman "Croix"alist says
You think Russia and Israel are sworn enemies?
They sure aren't allies. Even back in the 60s of the Soviet Union, decades after Stalin was the biggest proponent of "Israel's" creation, they began to be at odds with each other, as reflected by a Soviet ship witnessing Israel attacking the USS Liberty, and when Israel realized they were spotted by the Soviets, they halted finishing the attack. Alas, almost 40 American sailors were still murdered by the perfidious jews, whose impetus for the attacks was to blame Egypt or Jordan, thus draw the U.S. into the war.
And it's Putin's Russia who saved Syria from being overrun by Israeli (and U.S./Saudi) backed Muhammadan extremists, thus the Christian minority in Syria, who have always had protection by the Assads, were saved from being pillaged and raped.
Look, buddy, why don't you go to "Catholic"Answers and seek out some fellow neocon anti-Russia bigoted slobs, and maybe you all can have a slumber party while you watch Red Dawn and stroke each others' confirmation bias. :laugh2:
By the way, are you some sort of perverted masochist? You seem to enjoy being destroyed every time in this polemic. :surprised: Nevermind, don't answer... Anyway, to conclude this most truthful rebuttal which essentially annihilates your logical fallacies and lies, take heed to what Bishop Williamson says about modern day Russia and the possibility of Moscow becoming the 3rd Rome !
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:dancing-banana:Cool story, tovarish! :dancing-banana:
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If Russia today is anti-Catholic does this necessarily mean that it is still basically a Soviet state? Could it not be the case that the rediscovery of Orthodoxy is the cause of Russia's present anti-Catholicism?
Okay, this is only an anecdote, but I have a Russian Orthodox friend whose father was only 7 years old when forced to emigrate with his family following the Bolshevik Revolution. This lady and her family a very anti-Catholic, as much as any Protestant. They refer to the Pope as the 'Bishop of Rome' and my friend regularly makes jibes at the Church.
My point is that Russia does not have to still be Communist to be anti-Catholic. Being Orthodox is enough. Also, Russia was always fairly authoritarian, even before the Bolsheviks took over. Perhaps they are just reverting to type, and see Putin as some kind of Czar figure, rather than as a reincarnation of Stalin.
Interestingly, Stalin also played on the image of of the all-powerful, Czar-like ruler of Russia in his propaganda. Perhaps what we are witnessing today, is Russia simply being Russia, Orthodox Russia though, not necessarily Soviet Russia.
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If Russia today is anti-Catholic does this necessarily mean that it is still basically a Soviet state? Could it not be the case that the rediscovery of Orthodoxy is the cause of Russia's present anti-Catholicism?
Okay, this is only an anecdote, but I have a Russian Orthodox friend whose father was only 7 years old when forced to emigrate with his family following the Bolshevik Revolution. This lady and her family a very anti-Catholic, as much as any Protestant. They refer to the Pope as the 'Bishop of Rome' and my friend regularly makes jibes at the Church.
My point is that Russia does not have to still be Communist to be anti-Catholic. Being Orthodox is enough. Also, Russia was always fairly authoritarian, even before the Bolsheviks took over. Perhaps they are just reverting to type, and see Putin as some kind of Czar figure, rather than as a reincarnation of Stalin.
Interestingly, Stalin also played on the image of of the all-powerful, Czar-like ruler of Russia in his propaganda. Perhaps what we are witnessing today, is Russia simply being Russia, Orthodox Russia though, not necessarily Soviet Russia.
When I say Soviet and Communist Russia, I am mostly referring to the continuity of the government. I don't know how far the ideology really holds with the proles, but let's just say it goes far enough so that over 1 out of 2 marriages end in divorce, 1 abortion for every 2 live births, and population growth completely reliant on a minimal amount of immigrants... Usury is alive and well... Dash Cams are so prevalent because of the danger of being sued by their fellow countrymen from throwing themselves onto the hoods of cars to claim injury... Even out of the majority of "Orthodox", only about 1% go to church on a regular. They aren't a religious people. They no longer need to be forced to accept Marxist/Leninist rule because they have it written in their hearts.
Like most countries, they seem gravitate toward anything that bolsters national pride and that unfortunately includes the glory days of (outward) Soviet Russia. If they haven't realized what a horror show they're endorsing, it's due to a thorough lack of Catholic sensibility. To a large extent they are an enigma to me, but then so are my fellow US citizens these days.
Ironically, I never expected to find myself having to explain on a trad Catholic forum why it isn't enough to merely say "Lord, Lord" to be considered Christian. That the "Orthodox" and divorcee Putin claim to defend Christian values doesn't phase me anymore than Bush or any other Protestant based "Christian" when they do it. Even from the beginning, the Soviets didn't dismantle the structure of those churches they felt they could get the most use out of. They no longer even need to worry about purging Catholics out of Russia; at .1% of the population all the damage has been done already. Look for continuing open purges in Crimea and soon to be re-acquired Ukraine.
I'll have to open up a new thread just for Russia, as too many people including Trads apparently, are holding them up like some sort of shining Bastion of Christianity. I assure you this is not the case.
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To sum up, no Russia doesn't have to be Communist to be anti-Catholic. They're Communist because that's the power structure the forerunner of the antichrist has chosen (and God has permitted) to persecute the Church in our present age.
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Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to apologize for the sharp words I used in ascent's direction. It only took a few perceived taunts to set me off where I ought to have ignored it and since I'm no shrinking violet, the rest is history. So for my part in the ad hominem back and forth, I am sorry.
However, I take nothing back what I said about Russia and I dearly hope many of you who believe Russia is not a threat or part of the current antichrist World Order, will change your minds and reconsider.