Author Topic: John XXIII celebrating the pre 54 holy week (Read 1534 times)

PG · « **on:** March 16, 2016, 03:29:14 PM »

Does any one know anything about this? I remember reading from a good source that john xxiii decided to go back and celebrate the pre 54 holy week after listening to a dissenting theologian/liturgist explain the problems to him. I do not remember where I read this, but I would like to read the facts again, and look into it. Thanks.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2016, 10:20:41 PM »

I do not think so. I remember reading when it came to the prayer for the
conversion of the Jews. The Priest that read the prayer used the old
prayer for the conversion of the perfidious Jews. Pope John XXIII stopped
him and was forced to say the new prayers. This was at the High Altar
of St. Peter's in the Vatican.

The attached photo was taken inside Holy Name Cathedral in Chicago,
Illinois on April 4, 1953.
Acolyte Extinguishing Candles one by one at the Tembrae Service in
memory of the Suffering and death of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Cardinal Samuel Stritch sitting on the Archbishop's Throne.

Good Friday 1964 Holy Name Cathedral. Cardinal Albert Meyer Center.

PG · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2016, 10:53:28 PM »

rc1953 - I know that story. What I am referring to only happened for one year's holy week. Other than that, I assume he celebrated the new holy week as expected. I would just like someone else to at least confirm it.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2016, 08:44:40 AM »

It's well known that John XXIII disliked Bugnini and shut down his liturgical experimentations. Paul VI later brought him back in.

Prayerful · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2016, 12:43:14 PM »

Allegedly, JXXIII cried out on his deathbed to close the Council, which would be one of those things which would be nice if true, but also beside the point. He should not have added St Joseph's name to the unchanging canon, to make another obvious point. Making a change like that showed an experimenter wasn't pushing against a locked door. I think by the time of his death the radical, wrecking, Modernist, Indifferentist element was in the driving seat.