Ridiculous.  There's "disunity" among R&R also.  Among the "sedeplenists" (you need to stop this idiotic term that you got from Meg "sedeism"), you have the Motarians, the Ecclesia Dei groups like FFSP, ICK, etc., the SSPX, the Resistance, various Independent priests, the Pfeifferites, and even those who love Jorge Bergoglio and what he stands for etc. etc.  Disunity is the result of the fact that the papacy has been usurped (or at least, in your view, somehow crippled) ... and is not specific to any particular position.

You reject "sedeism" because you've become an Old Catholic whom +Vigano rightly condemns as a heretic and schismatic.

Actually, it was stubborn who started using the term "sedeism." I just borrowed it because it's easier to type than "sedevacantism."

There is more disunity, IMO, when sedevacantists are allowed to promote their doctrine, due to them being fanatic and sure of their doctrine, as if it were dogma, and castigating those who do not agree with them. That's just how it is.

See, I remember a trad forum (the old Angelqueen) where the sedevacantism wasn't allowed to be discussed. There were arguments there, but it wasn't like here. Far more unity there, and more camaraderie. The focus was on the Crisis and not sedevacantism.

LOL, I see you took down your previous quotes on the infallibility of the Magisterium - you kill me Lad. But I can understand it, after all, you never did believe your own papal quotes.

Not to worry, I saved them - I like this one you posted from PPXI:
"Hence it is that in this proper object of her mission, that is, "in faith and morals, God Himself has made the Church sharer in the divine magisterium and, by a special privilege, granted her immunity from error; hence she is the mistress of men, supreme and absolutely sure, and she has inherent in herself an inviolable right to freedom in teaching."

This contradicts your idea "If the Church's Magisterium (at whatever level) can go so badly off the rails that it can lead souls to Hell..."

Yeah, we're well aware of your utterly idiotic claim that something is Magisterium only if Stubborn says it is, rather than according to the actual definition of the term.

Sadly, you're nothing but an Old Catholic heretic masquerading as a Catholic (which the Old Catholics also do).

What happened to turning the other cheek?  Yes we have a crisis. Yes we have disunity.  Stop the PRIDE.  We do not know if Stubborn is right or Laudilaus or there is some other answer.  It is fine to discuss such matters with charity, but admit that God hasn't spoken to you directly, so you are not 100% sure of your position being the one God knows is happening.  I just get so frustrated when these conversations digress into calling names.  Only God knows the state our souls.  Life is hard enough already.  

The images are still there, sometimes cathinfo doesn't load them.

Ah, ok. My bad. Thanks for telling me that. My apologies to Lad for saying he took them down.

What happened to turning the other cheek?  Yes we have a crisis. Yes we have disunity.  Stop the PRIDE.  We do not know if Stubborn is right or Laudilaus or there is some other answer.  It is fine to discuss such matters with charity, but admit that God hasn't spoken to you directly, so you are not 100% sure of your position being the one God knows is happening.  I just get so frustrated when these conversations digress into calling names.  Only God knows the state our souls.  Life is hard enough already. 

I have not been the one calling him names, but I'll admit it's getting close. If you would be so kind as to quote me being uncharitable - I ask this sincerely as being uncharitable is not my intent.

I have not been the one calling him names, but I'll admit it's getting close. If you would be so kind as to quote me being uncharitable - I ask this sincerely as being uncharitable is not my intent.

I think for you it is that you keep going, knowing full well, that you are not going to change Ladislaus' mind.  Does that make sense?

^^ That's uncharitable? 
Something has to change his mind, he can't just keep posting all over the place that the pope is not the pope and you're a heretic if you disagree. I do not think for a minute I will change his mind, but who knows, might get some others with the courage to try.

I understand discussions,  and that it may produce good fruit.  I just think that both sides have valid points that need to be worked out with a current Pope, which we do not have.  I guess the way you say "sedeism" and Ladislaus uses "old catholic" begins to seem like name calling.  And calling people heretics without clear theology on the current crisis causes problems.

To be clear, I think we really need to go back to simplicity.  We are either following Rome (Novus Ordo, indult) or we are in an emergency situation outside of Rome (SSPX,  SSPX resistance,  cmri, sgg, rci, sspv, etc) and we are trying to figure this out to the best of our abilities.  I guess my way of dealing with others is trying to find commonality between opinions.  And then constantly reminding myself to pray, hope, do penance and trust God will fix all when the time is right.  I keep saying it out loud, so I don't lose hope.

When Ladislaus uses the words...."Old Catholic," he is really calling someone a heretic. Because Old Catholics are heretics, as far as I know.

However, when we use the word "sedeism" it doesn't mean that we are calling a sedevacantist a heretic. That word has nothing to do with heresy. Ladislaus has called me a heretic many times on this forum over the years. That probably isn't much of a problem for you, since he hasn't referred to you as a heretic, has he? And probably never will.

Some of us (just two of us here?) don't believe that sedeism is healthy, because it condemns other trads, and for other reasons, too. I guess it's easier to condemn other trads on a forum, than it is to condemn people in real life.

This ^^ is how it is. Sede = abbreviation for sedevacantist, why should that offend sedes since they all gladly admit they are sedes?

To be clear, I think we really need to go back to simplicity.  We are either following Rome (Novus Ordo, indult) or we are in an emergency situation outside of Rome (SSPX,  SSPX resistance,  cmri, sgg, rci, sspv, etc) and we are trying to figure this out to the best of our abilities.  I guess my way of dealing with others is trying to find commonality between opinions.  And then constantly reminding myself to pray, hope, do penance and trust God will fix all when the time is right.  I keep saying it out loud, so I don't lose hope.

Well Gray, you are certainly welcome if want to participate in these discussions. And yes, I agree, what we really need to do is live a Catholic life and pray to die in sanctifying grace - this is, after all, all that really matters.