I might have said they were in schism a few times, most likely I was quoting some teaching of the Church.

As an aside, I was listening to Fred Dimond telling Fr. Wathen that sedes are in schism - can you believe it? Fred said that the sedes, who are in schism, believe all those trads who are not sede are in schism. His words (from memory), not mine.

The moral of the story is, you pretty much have to be sede to not think this way because once you become a sede, you are able to stop believing and even condemn what Catholics have always believed, and start believing the contrary.

Yes, in his pre-sede days, it's safe to say that he definitely was against the whole idea. But then, a type of  metamorphosis happened.

... from his fertile imagination.  He's using it as an attempt to rationalize and justify his heresy.

No, she's right, deflection is a typical ploy of yours.

Well, in all your years here, you've been attacking it, so presumably you can explain what you're attacking.  And the poster did not ask you to define it, but just to explain why you consider it wrong, bad, eeevil.  You've never once in all those years explained why you think it's wrong.  Not once.

I think both Stubborn and Meg feel that the disunity that the Northest Nine caused is the whole reason the SSPX fell apart.  Please correct me if I am wrong.  But I am tired of living in the past.  We need to work with what we have now.  If the priests and bishops outside Rome are going to hold their position as fact, without any Pope deciding, then it is up to us laity to work together any say "No, we are done with that. You can't make those decisions. You are not the Pope."

All the research is good and when their is a Pope it will be helpful and give a head start to what the good and Holy Pope will have to clean up, but until then we need to be patient and charitable with others.

But Stubborn, that is easy for you because it fits your personality.  Others see that we have only had heretical popes since V2, they might feel betrayed because God said he would never leave us without a head, so when they try to figure out the situation, they come up with a different opinion that fits their personality.

I guess I just wish people would recognize that we all look at this from different angles and though we can discuss these angles, we have no assurance that any of us are looking at it God's way.  The only Truth we do know is that there are Faithful Catholics both inside Rome and outside Rome, who are hoping that God fixes this Crisis soon. 

If a good and Holy Pope comes and says that the seat was vacant since V2 due to impediments and heresy and filled with an anti-Pope, would you follow him?  Or what if this good and Holy Pope says that it could be that some person could be elected to the Papacy and have the abilities to do certain things, like make Cardinals (Material Pope), but he didn't receive the authority of the Holy Ghost to teach, govern, and sanctify (Formal Pope), then would you follow this Pope?