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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2025, 03:04:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on May 08, 2025, 01:05:10 PM
    Is the election of Pope Leo XIV a sign that Rome will FINALLY be returning to the faith? If Leo XIV is just HALF of the pope Leo XIII was, then MAYBE Rome has finally seen the light and will be returning to the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH in the near future. :incense:

    Are you retarded enough to think that the choice of a name means anything?

    So, again on in the category of retarded, you're saying Rome currently does not profess the "TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH" and yet deride sedevacantists, meaning that you think someone without Catholic faith can be in the Church ... ergo, you're a heretic.
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #16 on: May 08, 2025, 03:08:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2025, 03:04:04 PM
    Are you retarded enough to think that the choice of a name means anything?

    So, again on in the category of retarded, you're saying Rome currently does not profess the "TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH" and yet deride sedevacantists, meaning that you think someone without Catholic faith can be in the Church ... ergo, you're a heretic.
    I believe IndultCat is a sedevacantist despite his username, just believes the new rites are valid and attends an indult 
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    Offline IndultCat

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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #17 on: May 08, 2025, 03:24:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on May 08, 2025, 03:08:41 PM
    I believe IndultCat is a sedevacantist despite his username, just believes the new rites are valid and attends an indult
    This is 100% correct. I don't get why Lad thinks I am not a Sede. The above comment made about Bishop Sanborn and Father Jenkins was just a comment made "in jest." It was a joke. Sedes would never do such a thing because Sedes are NOT WRONG. 
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #18 on: May 08, 2025, 03:29:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2025, 03:04:04 PM
    Are you retarded enough to think that the choice of a name means anything?

    So, again on in the category of retarded, you're saying Rome currently does not profess the "TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH" and yet deride sedevacantists, meaning that you think someone without Catholic faith can be in the Church ... ergo, you're a heretic.
    Here is my position and it is far from heretical: quote from: St Giles on April 27, 2025, 04:22:06 PM
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    Why can't they both resist and be a part of the visible hierarchy?

    Short Answer: No......Just No.

    Longer Answer: The Visible Hierarchy no longer advocates, teaches, supports, or lives according to the teachings taught by The Roman Catholic Church since its inception. This Visible Hierarchy "did a complete 180" in the 1960s and has thus forced the innocent laity into taking either one of two completely illogical positions (if they are to be a part of this Visible Hierarchy):

    1.) To be an "obedient heretic" (this is an oxymoron but this is exactly what one does when following the Visible Hierarchy of The Novus Ordo Church. You are faithful to a Church and a Hierarchy that has recently taken everything the True Church has ever stood for and taken the EXACT OPPOSITE position: this "complete 180" is heresy and so to follow it, you would be "obedient" yes, but also a "heretic." And to be part of any Church that is heretical is to be a part of a False Church).

    2.) To be a "faithful schismatic" (this is also an oxymoron but this is exactly what one does when Recognizing the Visible Hierarchy of the Novus Ordo Church and yet, at the same time, being "faithful" to the TRUE TEACHINGS of the True Church, teachings which the SAME CHURCH you claim to belong to no longer believes or practices. In fact, the Novus Ordo Church DESPISES the TRUE TEACHINGS and that is why they completely changed them. So, you would be "faithful" to the teachings of the True Church but the "Visible Hierarchy" you also recognize would publicly and viciously call you a "Schismatic" because of you being "faithful" to the original and true teachings, which this Visible Hierarchy now utterly despises).

    And so, since one CANNOT be either an "obedient heretic" or a "faithful schismatic", one CANNOT both resist and be a part of the "Visible Hierarchy". One must completely reject it and call it out (both loudly and publicly) for what it truly is: A FALSE hierarchy and a FALSE church
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #19 on: May 08, 2025, 03:40:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on May 08, 2025, 01:05:10 PM
    Is the election of Pope Leo XIV a sign that Rome will FINALLY be returning to the faith? If Leo XIV is just HALF of the pope Leo XIII was, then MAYBE Rome has finally seen the light and will be returning to the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH in the near future. :incense:
    The only thing Leo XIV has in common with Pope Leo XIII is that they are both human.
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #20 on: May 08, 2025, 03:53:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2025, 03:01:46 PM
    Someone please ban this pernicious apostate ^^^ already

    I rather appreciated the good laugh he provided, although it was the product of colossal delusion.  
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #21 on: May 08, 2025, 04:14:13 PM »
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    • The Interregnum continues...

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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #22 on: May 08, 2025, 04:20:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on May 08, 2025, 03:53:04 PM
    I rather appreciated the good laugh he provided, although it was the product of colossal delusion. 

    Yeah, it wasn't just for that comment :laugh1: ... as he's been around here a while.
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #23 on: May 08, 2025, 04:22:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on May 08, 2025, 03:24:21 PM
    This is 100% correct. I don't get why Lad thinks I am not a Sede. The above comment made about Bishop Sanborn and Father Jenkins was just a comment made "in jest." It was a joke. Sedes would never do such a thing because Sedes are NOT WRONG.
    Might be because of the username, TYPICALLY indulters aren’t Sedes although I remember your post about this 
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #24 on: May 08, 2025, 04:29:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2025, 03:00:29 PM
    As others put it, this guy is absolutely not a "centrist".  He's been one of the biggest promoters of the whole "Synodal Church" concept.  That was the perception because he never talked much publicly, but what he did as far Leftist and Bergs wouldn't have trusted him to select bishops if he weren't in lockstep.  He presided over ousting Strickland.

    Despite that, I reject this very conversation.  Unless someone recognizes that Vatican II was not a Council, declares it null, declares Roncalli and the rest Antipopes, declares the NOM null and void ... Right, Left, Centrist yada yada yada is just bovine excrement.

    There's only Catholic and Modernist, and he's a Modernist.

    Yet another Antipope, as predicted (given that I expect 2029 to be when things start to get really bad and then turn around with the Holy Pope ... hint:  this guy ain't it).

    Lad, would you say we got bergoglio 2.0?

    I was praying for that. 
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #25 on: May 08, 2025, 04:30:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on May 08, 2025, 03:08:41 PM
    I believe IndultCat is a sedevacantist despite his username, just believes the new rites are valid and attends an indult

    A fruit of the new springtime ... 
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #26 on: May 08, 2025, 04:34:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Simeon on May 08, 2025, 04:29:34 PM
    Lad, would you say we got bergoglio 2.0?

    I was praying for that.

    I don't think so.  I think he's more subtle and discreet, whereas Bergoglio was in-your-face, abrasive, etc. ... and drove not a few toward sedevacantism or at least Bennyvacantism.  This guy's probably more subtle and will continue to advance the Bergoglian agenda without openly rubbing people the wrong way.

    If he's smart, he might regularize SSPX, loosen up restrictions on Tridentine Mass, etc. ... to fool people like Ratzinger did.
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #27 on: May 08, 2025, 04:34:46 PM »
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #28 on: May 08, 2025, 04:35:28 PM »
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    • Well, he should make Pizza his Secretary of State, so they could serve up some Chicago style Pizza.
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    Re: Rome returning to Tradition?
    « Reply #29 on: May 08, 2025, 04:36:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2025, 04:34:35 PM
    I don't think so.  I think he's more subtle and discreet, whereas Bergoglio was in-your-face, abrasive, etc. ... and drove not a few toward sedevacantism or at least Bennyvacantism.  This guy's probably more subtle and will continue to advance the Bergoglian agenda without openly rubbing people the wrong way.

    If he's smart, he might regularize SSPX, loosen up restrictions on Tridentine Mass, etc. ... to fool people like Ratzinger did.

    Not good news. He looked very "B16" on the balcony. 
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