Is the election of Pope Leo XIV a sign that Rome will FINALLY be returning to the faith? If Leo XIV is just HALF of the pope Leo XIII was, then MAYBE Rome has finally seen the light and will be returning to the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH in the near future. :incense:Or maybe electing a centrist will have the effect of uniting left and right in the Novus Ordo?
Or maybe electing a centrist will have the effect of uniting left and right in the Novus Ordo?I see people like Bishop Sanborn and Father Jenkins possibly dismantling their organizations, eating a big slice of "humble pie" by admitting they were wrong this entire time, and finally submitting humbly to the hierarchy in Rome while publicly stating "Mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa" with other Sedes imitating them soon after. :popcorn:
Is the election of Pope Leo XIV a sign that Rome will FINALLY be returning to the faith? If Leo XIV is just HALF of the pope Leo XIII was, then MAYBE Rome has finally seen the light and will be returning to the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH in the near future. :incense:Could Cardinal Prevost be the first American pope? - LifeSite
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.She needs bishops who will boldly obey the exhortation of St Paul to Timothy:
As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.
For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? If I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. (Gal. 1.8-10)
I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming and his kingdom:A man who has remained “discreet” during the last few years—and indeed been promoted in that time—seems unlikely to be suitable.
Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine.
For there shall be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.
But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil thy ministry. (2 Timothy 4.1-5)
I see people like Bishop Sanborn and Father Jenkins possibly dismantling their organizations, eating a big slice of "humble pie" by admitting they were wrong this entire time, and finally submitting humbly to the hierarchy in Rome while publicly stating "Mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa" with other Sedes imitating them soon after. :popcorn:No. I do not see the Sedevacantes embracing him but conservatives like the Remnant, Lifesite News, Indult and closer union with SSPX. Maybe, only time will tell especially when we learn more.
No. I do not see the Sedevacantes embracing him but conservatives like the Remnant, Lifesite News, Indult and closer union with SSPX. Maybe, only time will tell especially when we learn more.
No. I do not see the Sedevacantes embracing him but conservatives like the Remnant, Lifesite News, Indult and closer union with SSPX. Maybe, only time will tell especially when we learn more.Are you sure about LifeSite accepting him, after all they allowed for the article listed above your post, which states:
Would like to hear Vigano's assessment.
I see people like Bishop Sanborn and Father Jenkins possibly dismantling their organizations, eating a big slice of "humble pie" by admitting they were wrong this entire time, and finally submitting humbly to the hierarchy in Rome while publicly stating "Mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa" with other Sedes imitating them soon after. :popcorn:
Is the election of Pope Leo XIV a sign that Rome will FINALLY be returning to the faith? If Leo XIV is just HALF of the pope Leo XIII was, then MAYBE Rome has finally seen the light and will be returning to the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH in the near future. :incense:
Are you retarded enough to think that the choice of a name means anything?I believe IndultCat is a sedevacantist despite his username, just believes the new rites are valid and attends an indult
So, again on in the category of retarded, you're saying Rome currently does not profess the "TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH" and yet deride sedevacantists, meaning that you think someone without Catholic faith can be in the Church ... ergo, you're a heretic.
I believe IndultCat is a sedevacantist despite his username, just believes the new rites are valid and attends an indultThis is 100% correct. I don't get why Lad thinks I am not a Sede. The above comment made about Bishop Sanborn and Father Jenkins was just a comment made "in jest." It was a joke. Sedes would never do such a thing because Sedes are NOT WRONG.
Are you retarded enough to think that the choice of a name means anything?Here is my position and it is far from heretical: quote from: St Giles on April 27, 2025, 04:22:06 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/tell-me-why-indulters-aren't-cowards-and-or-ignorant/msg981332/#msg981332)
So, again on in the category of retarded, you're saying Rome currently does not profess the "TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH" and yet deride sedevacantists, meaning that you think someone without Catholic faith can be in the Church ... ergo, you're a heretic.
Why can't they both resist and be a part of the visible hierarchy?
Is the election of Pope Leo XIV a sign that Rome will FINALLY be returning to the faith? If Leo XIV is just HALF of the pope Leo XIII was, then MAYBE Rome has finally seen the light and will be returning to the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH in the near future. :incense:The only thing Leo XIV has in common with Pope Leo XIII is that they are both human.
Someone please ban this pernicious apostate ^^^ already
I rather appreciated the good laugh he provided, although it was the product of colossal delusion.
This is 100% correct. I don't get why Lad thinks I am not a Sede. The above comment made about Bishop Sanborn and Father Jenkins was just a comment made "in jest." It was a joke. Sedes would never do such a thing because Sedes are NOT WRONG.Might be because of the username, TYPICALLY indulters aren’t Sedes although I remember your post about this
As others put it, this guy is absolutely not a "centrist". He's been one of the biggest promoters of the whole "Synodal Church" concept. That was the perception because he never talked much publicly, but what he did as far Leftist and Bergs wouldn't have trusted him to select bishops if he weren't in lockstep. He presided over ousting Strickland.
Despite that, I reject this very conversation. Unless someone recognizes that Vatican II was not a Council, declares it null, declares Roncalli and the rest Antipopes, declares the NOM null and void ... Right, Left, Centrist yada yada yada is just bovine excrement.
There's only Catholic and Modernist, and he's a Modernist.
Yet another Antipope, as predicted (given that I expect 2029 to be when things start to get really bad and then turn around with the Holy Pope ... hint: this guy ain't it).
I believe IndultCat is a sedevacantist despite his username, just believes the new rites are valid and attends an indult
Lad, would you say we got bergoglio 2.0?
I was praying for that.
I don't think so. I think he's more subtle and discreet, whereas Bergoglio was in-your-face, abrasive, etc. ... and drove not a few toward sedevacantism or at least Bennyvacantism. This guy's probably more subtle and will continue to advance the Bergoglian agenda without openly rubbing people the wrong way.
If he's smart, he might regularize SSPX, loosen up restrictions on Tridentine Mass, etc. ... to fool people like Ratzinger did.
Well, he should make Pizza his Secretary of State, so they could serve up some Chicago style Pizza.
Not good news. He looked very "B16" on the balcony.
Indeed, right down to his choice of a pre-V2 name, just like Ratzinger did..
God allowed it.
I've long speculated that God permitted Bergoglio as a last chance for people to wake up to the nature of the Conciliar Church, and some cooperated with that grace. Others, alas, did not.
"Leo" would need to do little more than to loosen up just a bit on the Tridentine Mass to reabsorb and finish neutralizing SSPX, and get Trad, Inc. back into line.
God will give His grace to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.
Indeed, right down to his choice of a pre-V2 name, just like Ratzinger did.
God allowed it.
I've long speculated that God permitted Bergoglio as a last chance for people to wake up to the nature of the Conciliar Church, and some cooperated with that grace. Others, alas, did not.
"Leo" would need to do little more than to loosen up just a bit on the Tridentine Mass to reabsorb and finish neutralizing SSPX, and get Trad, Inc. back into line.
God will give His grace to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.
So maybe he is the hegelian synthesis? the term of the dialectic? the duality? the confusion of the double cloak (Psalm 108)? the hermaphrodite of the cabal?
You speak as though we have arrived at a term; and I feel in my bones that this may be correct. Only what that means materially is beyond me. How much longer is God going to punish us???????
He's a leftist, not a centrist.More like an anti Christ.
Or maybe electing a centrist will have the effect of uniting left and right in the Novus Ordo?"Centrist" is codeword for liberal or Marxist.
See, I don't feel punished by God. Perhaps those who don't have the faith or the Traditional Mass are being punished, but I wouldn't use the first person, since I don't feel punished, but blessed.
Wow ... listen to this unintelligible word salad. Word on the street was that this guy was smart. There's not a single spark of intelligence in this video.
https://x.com/i/status/1920586118015095147
Wow ... listen to this unintelligible word salad. Word on the street was that this guy was smart. There's not a single spark of intelligence in this video.the way he describes the role of a bishop could also apply to any community organizer, 3rd rate politician, or McDonald's manager.
https://x.com/i/status/1920586118015095147
Wow ... listen to this unintelligible word salad. Word on the street was that this guy was smart. There's not a single spark of intelligence in this video.
https://x.com/i/status/1920586118015095147
Quite aside from any question of content, there's just a little touch of something in his speaking voice, basically American-accented English, but just a trace of Spanish or something. Notice the way he pronounces "determined" with just a little more emphasis on the "de" than you'd expect to hear. He has spent two-thirds of his life outside the US, speaking languages other than English, so this may be only expected. Hard to put my finger on, but I can definitely hear it.
I've noticed something similar in Dutch and Swedish people who speak English fluently. There's just a little something "off", if you didn't know they were Dutch or Swedish, you might not know they weren't native American English speakers.
Thank you for this virtual barbiturate, for the next time I have trouble falling asleep. LOL!!
Wow ... listen to this unintelligible word salad. Word on the street was that this guy was smart. There's not a single spark of intelligence in this video.Spoken like a man who has no idea what the role of a bishop is.
https://x.com/i/status/1920586118015095147
Well, there is also a little blend of Chicago-ese.
Is the election of Pope Leo XIV a sign that Rome will FINALLY be returning to the faith? If Leo XIV is just HALF of the pope Leo XIII was, then MAYBE Rome has finally seen the light and will be returning to the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH in the near future. :incense:Something an Indult would say. ::)
Is the election of Pope Leo XIV a sign that Rome will FINALLY be returning to the faith? If Leo XIV is just HALF of the pope Leo XIII was, then MAYBE Rome has finally seen the light and will be returning to the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH in the near future. :incense:Was watching Bishop Sandborn this evening, nope, he called him out as a continuation of Francis right away. It's business as usual for the Traditionalist priestly orders.
I see people like Bishop Sanborn and Father Jenkins possibly dismantling their organizations, eating a big slice of "humble pie" by admitting they were wrong this entire time, and finally submitting humbly to the hierarchy in Rome while publicly stating "Mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa" with other Sedes imitating them soon after. :popcorn:No way is either dismantling his organization!
This is 100% correct. I don't get why Lad thinks I am not a Sede. The above comment made about Bishop Sanborn and Father Jenkins was just a comment made "in jest." It was a joke. Sedes would never do such a thing because Sedes are NOT WRONG.OK, I was wondering where you stood on the New Rites given you said in another thread that you were sede and you assist at an indult mass. Your position (believing they are certainly valid) is Louie Verrechio's position. Interestingly enough, last I knew, he also assists at the FSSP.
As for the joke, I'm not sure how others took it, but it didn't seem like a joke to me when I first read it. So, I can understand the confusion. Perhaps use the winky icon next time?
What actual "sedevacantist" would use the forum name "IndultCat"? Answer: absolutely none of them.That is incorrect. Here is a little bit about me:
Yeah, I don't think it was joking, and he's made other comments that also suggest he's not joking. Finally, his touch with the popcorn emoticon clearly suggests that he's trolling sedevacantists by pretending to be one. Others have done similar here on CathInfo, and I'm calling him out as an anti-sedevacantist, and probably also anti-Traditional-Catholic troll. What actual "sedevacantist" would use the forum name "IndultCat"? Answer: absolutely none of them.Oh ok I was just going off his claims but if you think he’s lying than I have no idea so no comment
Would like to hear Vigano's assessment.He thinks the election was invalid because 108 of the 133 were appointed "by a Jesuit who usurped the Papacy for twelve years", and also because Universi Dominici Gregis put a 120 cardinals cap on the number of electors (his interview with Francesco Borgonovo (https://exsurgedomine.it/250429-borgonovo-eng/))
He thinks the election was invalid because 108 of the 133 were appointed "by a Jesuit who usurped the Papacy for twelve years", and also because Universi Dominici Gregis put a 120 cardinals cap on the number of electors (his interview with Francesco Borgonovo (https://exsurgedomine.it/250429-borgonovo-eng/))
This woman here, a classmate of Bob in the late 1970s at the "Catholic" "Theological" Union says that Bob was the only one in her class (evidently she was the first woman admitted to a school for advanced degrees in theology) who suppored her desire to be "ordained". So despite the "officlal" position put out there by Bob about being against female deacons, well, either he's since changed his mind or he just fakes things in public.The woman could also have a faulty testimony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFQThlKfpFQ
The woman could also have a faulty testimony
Would like to hear Vigano's assessment.Still nothing from Vigano.
Still nothing from Vigano.Well, it was "easy" to preach to the choir against Bergoglio. Since bishop Vigano seems to have had a soft spot for father Ratzinger, how can he declare current antipapacy and not hold those before Bergoglio to the same standard. Yes, Bergoglio opened eyes to many, but the buck surely does not stop with him and surely did not start with him.
Still nothing from Vigano.
Well, it was "easy" to preach to the choir against Bergoglio. Since bishop Vigano seems to have had a soft spot for father Ratzinger, how can he declare current antipapacy and not hold those before Bergoglio to the same standard. Yes, Bergoglio opened eyes to many, but the buck surely does not stop with him and surely did not start with him.It seems to me that he'd at least want to address Trad, Inc's reversal since the election. Even a number of Cathinfo members are doing that. But he's been silent.