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Author Topic: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?  (Read 30048 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2019, 10:56:30 AM »
This thread was derailed by one clown in particular (Praeter) who claims that he holds the One Ring and that the nature of this crisis is perfectly clear.  Hogwash.  As Matthew rightly stated, if it were perfectly clear, then you would not have sincere Catholics of good will who profess the faith and still clearly have the faith who do not rally around this magical explanation.

I'm sorry, but if you claim that the nature of this crisis is perfectly clear, then you're little more than an arrogant buffoon.  Bishop Guerard de Laurier was a top Church theologian before Vatican II, who drafted the Ottaviani intervention, was personal confessor to Pope Pius XII, and helped draft the dogmatic declaration on the Assumption.  To claim in your uninformed undeducated arrogance that this man brazenly adopted and promoted heresy (which just somehow he didn't notice) is the height of arrogance.  It's much more likely that you are an idiot who runs his mouth but has no earthly idea what he's talking about.  Bishop Guerard had decades of formal education in Catholic theology.  What are your credentials, loudmouth?

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2019, 11:05:02 AM »
All Paul VI's constitution says is: "Here is my new missal, which I am creating by this new law.  Here are the changes in the new missal.  I wish this law go into effect on the 1st Sunday of Advent."  All his law does is create a new missal.  The use of it violates QP.
Spot on. This revolution is probably the only revolution in the history of the world where the enemy took over the fort without so much as a drop of blood ever having been shed. Initially, the people had "the Church", they had the faith, they had everything far as that goes -  and most (not all) abandoned it all of their own free will using authority as an excuse to do so - this much I was an eye witness to - they then handed that loss of faith down to the following generations so that today, this is what is.

"The Ring" is simply truth, Divine Truth found only within and taught by the Catholic Church. Could not one of the reasons  that "The Ring" does not assume authority or control, is because the whole truth is not accepted as such by everyone?


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2019, 11:06:59 AM »
Both sides would benefit from a bit of humility.

Is the fact that the Pope who is supposed to be guided by the Holy Spirit did more damage to the Church than any heresiarch a problem?  +Lefebvre, the hero of all R&R, admitted that it was.

Is the fact that a vacancy would go on for 60 years a problem?  Of course it's a problem.

If both sides admitted that no solution is perfect, then a lot more progress can be made in the spread of Tradition.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2019, 11:08:28 AM »
Spot on.

Oh, shut up already.  This is what you've chosen to believe.  Duly noted.  Myriad other Traditional Catholics think you're an idiot.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2019, 11:11:30 AM »
"The Ring" is simply truth, Divine Truth found only within and taught by the Catholic Church.

Of course, objectively, the Divine Truth is the Ring.  Question is not whether the ring exists, but who's in possession of it.  You have many Catholics on the Novus Ordo side who claims that the teaching of Vatican II is not inconsistent with said Divine Truth.  In your philosophy, you, Stubborn, have the authority to sift through what is taught by the Magisterium and decide what is and what is not in conformity with said truth (your ridiculous redefinition of Magsiterium notwithstanding).