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Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #115 on: May 19, 2022, 11:54:51 AM »
I think this might be of help to you Epiphany:

Annulment vs. Divorce

A divorce is the dissolving of a lawful civil marriage by the state. The granting of a divorce, in and of itself, is an acknowledgment that there was a marriage in the first place from which a divorce could be granted.

An annulment, however, is not the dissolving of a marriage at all, rather it is a ruling from the Church that there was never a marriage in the first place, i.e., some impediment(s) prevented the marriage from ever taking place – it never happened. The putative married couples were simply cohabitating the whole while and the annulled couples are free to marry “for the first time” if they so choose.


Pax is correctA good historical example to study is Henry VIII.
I know the difference.

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Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #116 on: May 19, 2022, 12:33:30 PM »
I know the difference.
It doesn't appear that you do.
If a couple are actually married, no one, save God or death, can dissolve it, not even the Pope (thus why I recommended looking at Henry VIII).

A finding of nullity by the Church is a declaration that there was something, at the time of the exchange of vows, that impeded the ability of one or both of the parties to enter into the marriage contract.

Something that needs to also be said is that the declaration of nullity is NOT infallible. The legitimate purpose for examining a marriage is so that people of good will can have MORAL certitude about their marital status. If they are not of good will and are just "playing the system" to get their declaration, no "power to loose" is going to save them (excepting, of course, they make a valid confession and are absolved). Now a declaration of nullity (DoN) is binding, that is clergy are bound to accept the finding, even if they themselves have doubts about it. Obviously, in the present situation, not many trust anything that comes out of Rome or the diocesan tribunals, which is why trad clergy often do not feel bound by a DoN, and want to examine the case themselves.




Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #117 on: May 19, 2022, 12:54:44 PM »
 And if you have pre-VII grounds for annulment, then you can apply for an annulment under post-VII grounds.  They may or may not be the same grounds.  God knows your intention.
Just wondering, epiphany, are you really suggesting that one should lie in order to get an annulment?  If one has a pre-VII (traditional) ground for an annulment why would one use a post-VII ground that is different?  Why use a false ground?

The end does not justify the means.  




Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #118 on: May 19, 2022, 01:18:00 PM »
Just wondering, epiphany, are you really suggesting that one should lie in order to get an annulment? 

If one has a pre-VII (traditional) ground for an annulment why would one use a post-VII ground that is different? 

Why use a false ground?

No, I am not suggesting anyone lie.

 I suggested is that it may be possible someone qualifies under pre-VII grounds and post-VII grounds which may be different.

I did not suggest in any way to use false grounds.

Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #119 on: May 19, 2022, 01:31:24 PM »
It doesn't appear that you do.
If a couple are actually married, no one, save God or death, can dissolve it, not even the Pope (thus why I recommended looking at Henry VIII).

A finding of nullity by the Church is a declaration that there was something, at the time of the exchange of vows, that impeded the ability of one or both of the parties to enter into the marriage contract.

Something that needs to also be said is that the declaration of nullity is NOT infallible. The legitimate purpose for examining a marriage is so that people of good will can have MORAL certitude about their marital status. If they are not of good will and are just "playing the system" to get their declaration, no "power to loose" is going to save them (excepting, of course, they make a valid confession and are absolved). Now a declaration of nullity (DoN) is binding, that is clergy are bound to accept the finding, even if they themselves have doubts about it. Obviously, in the present situation, not many trust anything that comes out of Rome or the diocesan tribunals, which is why trad clergy often do not feel bound by a DoN, and want to examine the case themselves.
https://www.catholicbible101.com/annulments.htm