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« on: June 14, 2015, 05:07:20 PM »
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  • Is anyone else scared of Pope Francis' upcoming encyclical about climate change? I am.
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    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2015, 05:15:54 PM »
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    Is anyone else scared of Pope Francis' upcoming encyclical about climate change? I am.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2015, 05:25:53 PM »
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    Is anyone else scared of Pope Francis' upcoming encyclical about climate change? I am.


    Disgusted yes.  Scared no.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2015, 05:51:12 PM »
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  • I think it would make the Novus Ordo sect officially communist if it isn't already. I believe that because of the Vatican II nonsense many potential serious converts become Eastern Orthodox because their religion and liturgy haven't been made ridiculous yet. This will only make it worse.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 14, 2015, 06:16:49 PM »
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    Is anyone else scared of Pope Francis' upcoming encyclical about climate change? I am.


    Pope????????????????????????????? :confused1:
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    « Reply #5 on: June 15, 2015, 04:01:51 PM »
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  • Let's first see what this encyclical produces. It might be an expose of the global men-induced climate change scam it is; who knows?
    Just as the hole in the ozone-layer and many of the other 'scares' produced by our 'erudite experts'.
    So far information quoted from Danish scientist is that probable change in climate can be linked to activities the approximate eleven year cycle of sun-spots, similar to the rainfall cycle.
    So let wait and see not forgeting that PF has a degree in chemistry.
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    « Reply #6 on: June 16, 2015, 01:06:14 AM »
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  • Rorate Caeli reports here that a draft of the Holy Father's Encyclical has been put up by an Italian site here. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/06/full-content-of-popes-encyclical.html

    A cursory glance of an automated translation reveals nothing much unpredictable or out of the ordinary, but if the press is correct, Pope Francis does endorse so-called climate change, while distancing himself from radical environmentalists.

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    "Environmentalists have wondered how Francis would address humans’ role in climate change, a point contested by many climate skeptics and some conservative Catholics. In one section, Francis writes: “Numerous scientific studies indicate that most of the global warming of the past decades is due to the concentration of greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen oxide and others), emitted especially because of human activities.” He adds that the problem is compounded “by the development model based on the intensive use of fossil fuels that is at the core of the global energy model.”

    In the draft, Francis begins with a hymn, “Canticle of the Creatures,” written by the man whose name he took, St. Francis of Assisi, the 13th-century friar who dedicated his life to the poor and who is the patron saint of the environment.

    The document is then divided into six chapters, with the first titled “What Is Happening in Our House?” It deals with a wide variety of issues, including climate change, pollution, water rights, the loss of biodiversity and global inequality.

    In other chapters, Francis writes about the “wisdom of biblical accounts” (in a chapter titled the “Gospel of Creation”) and pointedly disputes the idea that population control and contraception are solutions to the planet’s limited resources."


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/world/europe/pope-francis-environmental-encyclical.html?_r=0
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    « Reply #7 on: June 16, 2015, 05:52:48 AM »
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  • Ah yes...let us remember this is settled science!

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/06/13/nailed-it-abc-predicted-nyc-would-be-under-water-from-climate-change-by-2015/

    Remembering that the “science is settled,” this is the year that ABC predicted that New York City would be under several feet of water due to rising seas caused by global warming.

    That wasn’t all ABC News thought would be going on by 2015 as predicted in its 2008 news special entitled Earth 2100. As Newsbusters’ Scott Witlock reports, the news department also claimed that by 2015 we’d be paying $9 per gallon for gasoline, that milk would cost $13 a gallon, and that many other parts of the US would be under water thanks to that “settled science.”

    ABC wasn’t done with the doomsaying, either. Here in the real 2015 researchers estimate that there are about 7.125 billion people on the planet. But in 2008 ABC was sure that by its assumed 2015 the earth’s population would have dwindled to a mere 2.7 billion due to food shortages, clean water shortages, wars, and increased temperatures.

    The program, which was produced in 2008 but aired in 2009, was advertised with the fear-inducing claim that we may be “living in the last century of our civilization.”

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    « Reply #8 on: June 16, 2015, 07:24:12 AM »
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  • Oh, it won't be that bad....... after all....who is he to judge?...................

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    « Reply #9 on: June 16, 2015, 11:27:48 AM »
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  • I think we all should be.

    I know it's not exactly kosher to admit that we are scared especially when a more appropriate adjective is annoyed or aggravated but the sad and scary part of this encyclical is that its a further deviation from Catholicism.  I have read interpretations of leaked parts and it really sounds like Pope Francis is rally around the flag of a world government with the environment as the cause or excuse.

    Pope Francis is also reported to have written in the encyclical that we do not have domininion over the world and the portion where Pope Francis blames the problems of Africa (which are unsolvable but if another nation wants to be the custodian then it Africa would at least become orderly) on "climate change" being caused by "rich countries" this is just going to cause more hate and discontent in the world.

    It's too bad the novus ordites (as represented by Pope Francis in his conclusions that rich countries cause bad weather in poor countries) always have to create a bad guy for their causes.  They are incapable of caring for the poor without also fostering hatred for others and this is envy based and it's deadly and the death count from this kind of thinking is in the tens of millions.

    So, in short, I am scared.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 16, 2015, 12:50:29 PM »
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  • Final reaction:  bored.

    Who in their right mind would read this 192-page bunch of nonsense?  Catholic theology regarding man's relationship with God's other creation can be summed up quite profoundly in 2-3 paragraphs.  Doesn't the Church have bigger issues to deal with, like rampant heresy?


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    « Reply #11 on: June 16, 2015, 02:49:29 PM »
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  • A trad made it on to the Rush Limbaugh program today and she was very good. I will post the transcript as soon as I can but Rush knows more about the Catholic Church than most Novus Ordoites.


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    « Reply #12 on: June 16, 2015, 02:58:54 PM »
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  • OK...here's the transcript...I only am posting the part with the trad caller here the entire transcript is at the link I posted...

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/06/16/the_pope_s_leaked_marxist_climate_rant

    RUSH:  Okay. Sorry, folks, for the goof-up.  Here's the skinny on Pope Francis and his education in chemistry.  This is according to the National Catholic Reporter.  "Pope Francis studied chemistry and worked as a chemist prior to entering the seminary," before he began his life with God.  But the chemistry diploma is from "a state-run technical secondary school" -- this is the National Catholic Reporter --which is comparable to "a certificate from a community college in the US."

    That's the extent of the pope's scientific education and knowledge.  So all the rest of this is politics. All the rest of it is politics.  That entire papal... Well, we haven't even seen it yet. Whatever has been leaked, the leaked aspects of the papal encyclical are pure politics.  And they're right out of the left. Pick any Democrat Party candidate, and it's what they're saying. Any leftist, any socialist around the world, it's what they're all saying.  

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    RUSH: This is Stacy in Fort Collins, Colorado.  Great to have you with us.  Hi.

    CALLER:  Hi, Rush.  It's nice to speak to you.  I have to start out by saying that I was waiting tables in Fort Collins at Cooper's Brewing the day that you gave your speech for Dan's Bake Sale and I thought, "What a crazy bunch of people you are," and now, 20 years later, I am a Rush fan.

    RUSH:  Is that right? (chuckling) You were working in Fort Collins the day of Dan's Bake Sale? That was 1990-some-odd.  I mean --

    CALLER:  I was. I was. standing on the parking garage, at the top of the parking garage and I watched your entire speech.

    RUSH:  Well, it wasn't much of a speech as I recall.

    CALLER:  It was very short, yeah.

    RUSH:  But there were like 75,000 people there.

    CALLER:  It was unbelievable.  I'd never seen anything like it before.

    RUSH:  And you're standing up there saying, "What a bunch of kooks"?

    CALLER:  "These people are crazy," yeah. Now I'm one of them.

    RUSH:  And now you are.

    CALLER:  And I'm talking to you.  It's surreal.

    RUSH:  It's great to have you here.

    CALLER:  Thank you.  I'm calling on a topic I never thought I would be calling about. Not politics, but religion.  I am a Catholic, and I'm in so much pain today at the possibility that my pope is spreading Marxist error.  I will refrain from judging him until I've read the encyclical, and I will hopefully give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe this is all taken out of context.  But it will not shock me if it is true.  I think there is... You know, a lot of people are using this as a way and a vehicle to discredit the Church.

    But I want to point out that there is precedence for this in the Catholic Church all the way back from its inception.  Judas was an apostle who chose politics and power over God, and he ended up betraying our Lord with a kiss.  And if the pope chooses Marxism over the mystical body of Christ, this is indeed a betrayal on a scale that we haven't seen before.  It also is a realization of what the Blessed Mother warned us against at Fatima, which was that communism would spread her errors.

    So I am... I'm absolutely distraught that I have to come out and defend my church against this, but I hope that people don't use this just to discredit it. It's kind of like the Constitution.  You know, we have the bedrock principles of our Constitution, and people pervert and try to use that for their own benefit all the time.  So I see the church, whose documents have not changed... The teaching of the church is still the same, but people are using her to push their own agenda.

    RUSH:  Well, here's the troubling thing.  Politics by its very nature is subject to change.  There's nothing... Very few articles of faith in real terms in politics.  You've got a plethora of different political views.  You have elections where people win and lose, various different theories are implemented, and people get to experience the results of those theories. In many cases it's hard, cold fact.  Religion, at its root, is faith based. A church is the exact opposite of politics in the sense that politics is designed to bend and shape to the will of public opinion.

    At least in a democracy or representative republic, it is.

    Politics is designed to take the temperature of the American public and react accordingly (i.e., in elections), and there's all kinds of things that get encompassed in politics.  The culture is part of politics, but religion is what it is.  The Catholic Church is what it is.  It's not supposed to bend and shape to accommodate the failings of the flock.  It is not supposed to bend and shape so the flock can get away with committing sin.  It's not supposed to redefine sin.  The church is supposed to... This is why the left hates it.

    CALLER:  Correct, but the pope is not speaking ex cathedra.  He is not speaking infallibly.  He is giving out an encyclical, which is just his teaching. So it goes out to all the bishops and they can... You don't have to believe this to be Catholic.  The bedrock principles that you have to believe as a Catholic are the same.  So people can try and pervert them all they want to, but they don't change, like birth control and gay marriage. So people can try and politicize them all they want, but if you really look at the documents and the teachings of the Catholic Church, they are exactly the same as they were going back to Peter.

    RUSH:  For the most part, yeah.  I mean, you've had Vatican I and Vatican II.

    CALLER:  Which is highly.... You know, this has been such a wound to the faith.  I'm a traditional Catholic.  I hate saying that word, but I go to the Tridentine Mass because I do see the modernism that has seeped into our church, and it has caused a great deal of pain and suffering. But the comfort that we have is that we do have these... You know, everything about the church is still there. So if people want to love the church, if they want to be Catholic, the rules haven't changed. The teachings and guideposts of it church are the same.

    RUSH:  The articles of faith.

    CALLER:  They are exactly the same. Despite how much people want to change them, they are the same.

    RUSH:  And that's the point.  It is not supposed to bend and shape to popular opinion.

    CALLER:  Absolutely.

    RUSH:  That's why it's valuable.  That's why terms like "the rock" are used.  I know that the encyclical is not a religious article of faith, and Catholics are not required to believe it.  It's not part of the actual teachings of the church. But what it represents... If this is true, if the pope has come out and said that, he just sounds like another member nation of the UN.

    CALLER:  That's right.

    RUSH:  The US is guilty. Western nations are rich. They're polluting the world, they're destroying the climate, and they've got a duty to stop and give more money to the poor and so forth.  If the left can get to a pope and corrupt an encyclical, they're gonna be inspired to keep going and try to corrupt the whole thing.

    CALLER:  Correct.  But the church's official teaching on communism is that it was condemned.  So like I said, this is absolutely one of the most painful phone calls that I've ever made, to have to defend my church against something Marxist that my pope has said.  I can't even believe I'm living in a time like this.

    RUSH:  Well, Marxism, in the sense... I was making an economic analysis.  Obviously the Catholic Church has to stand against communism.  Communism doesn't believe in God.  Communists do not permit belief in God.  There's no such thing permitted or allowed.  The Catholic Church can never, ever become communist.

    CALLER:  Correct.  But if the pope is coming out and he's promoting an idea that says that we should annihilate all countries and have a world government, I mean, we are at a scary and spooky place.

    RUSH: It is.

    CALLER: And, you know, I think I have an obligation to speak out.

    RUSH:  I understand. It's gonna make a lot of people nervous because this is the kind of thing that the church has always been a safe haven from.  There are exceptions, of course.  But never forget, always remember, that even the Washington Post story reporting on this encyclical alludes to the possibility that it's totally made up and is a leak designed to harm Il Papa.  And this has happened a lot.  The pope is reported to have said something, whatever it is that sounds way off the beaten path, and people react to it.

    And then later it is learned the Vatican announces, "The pope didn't say that! That was taken out of context. That's not what the pope actually said. This is the work of muckrakers trying to create problem.  The pope never said it."  It's happened a lot, which is what has made me think they engage in the trial balloon aspect of politics.  Float something, see what the reaction is, and then decide later whether to legitimize it or say, "Nah-nah-nah-nah. That's a leak. That's not true."

    We'll have to wait and see on this.  But this has been predicted, rumored or what have you.  This encyclical still hasn't been released, but even prior to today there has been speculation that what it's reported to be today was exactly what it is and is coming.  Anyway, Stacy, so many years after Dan's Bake Sale at Fort Collins, it's great to know you're still there and part of us now.  

    END TRANSCRIPT


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    « Reply #13 on: June 17, 2015, 04:04:41 PM »
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    Final reaction:  bored.
    Who in their right mind would read this 192-page bunch of nonsense?



    1 9 2 pages ! ! ! That's not an encyclical, that's a book.  Aren't most other encyclicals maybe 5 or 6 pages?

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    « Reply #14 on: June 17, 2015, 05:41:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Final reaction:  bored.

    Who in their right mind would read this 192-page bunch of nonsense?  Catholic theology regarding man's relationship with God's other creation can be summed up quite profoundly in 2-3 paragraphs.  Doesn't the Church have bigger issues to deal with, like rampant heresy?


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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

     

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