Author Topic: Is a man baptized against his will justified (Read 2121 times)

CM · « **on:** October 31, 2009, 04:02:58 AM »

He believes the Church, he hates his sins, is fully repentent, but at the baptismal font, he gets cold feet; he feels himself to be too addicted to grave sin and he can't bear to be baptized, because he would rather go to hell as a pagan than as an unfaithful Christian.

The (psychotic, apparently) priest holds him at gunpoint and baptizes him anyway. Is he justified? Why or why not?

Teresa · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2009, 08:38:42 AM »

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The (psychotic, apparently) priest holds him at gunpoint and baptizes him anyway. Is he justified? Why or why not?

If the priest threatens someone's life in this scenario, the baptism is invalid even if the threat isn't needed. :good-shot: This priest is in mortal sin. So, I guess they're both going to hell. :devil2:

Teresa

Jehanne · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2009, 09:23:28 AM »

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He believes the Church, he hates his sins, is fully repentent, but at the baptismal font, he gets cold feet; he feels himself to be too addicted to grave sin and he can't bear to be baptized, because he would rather go to hell as a pagan than as an unfaithful Christian.

The (psychotic, apparently) priest holds him at gunpoint and baptizes him anyway. Is he justified? Why or why not?

It would be valid sacrament, but not a fruitful one. It would probably need to be repeated, at least conditionally.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2009, 09:41:27 AM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Quote from: Catholic Martyr
He believes the Church, he hates his sins, is fully repentent, but at the baptismal font, he gets cold feet; he feels himself to be too addicted to grave sin and he can't bear to be baptized, because he would rather go to hell as a pagan than as an unfaithful Christian.

The (psychotic, apparently) priest holds him at gunpoint and baptizes him anyway. Is he justified? Why or why not?

It would be valid sacrament, but not a fruitful one. It would probably need to be repeated, at least conditionally.

If ones baptism is deemed valid it is a sacrilege to baptize the person again, even conditionally.

Jehanne · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2009, 09:55:51 AM »

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Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: Catholic Martyr
He believes the Church, he hates his sins, is fully repentent, but at the baptismal font, he gets cold feet; he feels himself to be too addicted to grave sin and he can't bear to be baptized, because he would rather go to hell as a pagan than as an unfaithful Christian.

The (psychotic, apparently) priest holds him at gunpoint and baptizes him anyway. Is he justified? Why or why not?

It would be valid sacrament, but not a fruitful one. It would probably need to be repeated, at least conditionally.

If ones baptism is deemed valid it is a sacrilege to baptize the person again, even conditionally.

We need a canonist.