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Offline StLouisIX

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Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
« on: July 23, 2023, 07:46:08 AM »
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  • Here are the findings of a team of faithful traditional Catholic laymen on the subject of the Divine Mercy devotion according to Sr. Faustina. This project has been years in the making, and has been approved by SSPX clergy for release to the general public. It is a lengthy presentation (about 2.5 hours long) split up into three parts:

    - The History of Poland and the Ideology of Polish Messianism

    - The History of the Divine Mercy Devotion

    - The Theological Issues with the Divine Mercy Devotion

    That being said, I hope the information here will be of great help to everyone on this forum.





    Additionally, here is a separate series of videos produced by one of the presenters further exploring the history of the Polish Messianist ideology, its correlation to Modernism and influence on the "Divine Mercy" devotion. It is not yet complete, but so far there are three videos he has uploaded:










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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #1 on: July 23, 2023, 09:56:50 AM »
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  • This project has been years in the making, and has been approved by SSPX clergy for release to the general public. 
    HAHAHAHAHAHA :jester:

    Do these laymen think they need approval from Menzingen to publish this? More proof that the SSPX acts like a parallel hierarchy with ordinary jurisdiction. I also know of a layman who wrote a book and then asked his priest permission to publish, which he denied him.

    You can't choose your authorities people... 


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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #2 on: July 23, 2023, 10:03:30 AM »
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  • So... who's this two and a half hour video for? Those of us who already know it's wrong? I will watch it and it sounds interesting but ood luck trying to get a Novus Ordite to sit through a presentation on Polish history.

    Also, only the last 20 minutes are about the core issues. Sounds like this was a hobby project and not done with the goal of converting people.

    Thank God MHFM already did the hard work of destroying the divine mercy deception in a powerful and concise format: 

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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #3 on: July 23, 2023, 10:11:52 AM »
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  • I scanned the docuмentary and saw none of the outrageous quotes like Faustina's unity with God being greater than the first of the Seraphs, etc. after years of research. I'm disappointed. I guess I shouldn't have expected anything too controversial from the SSPX, seems like their actually avoiding the core issues of the devotion. My bet is their "hierarchy" censored their work and they wanted to do the right thing initially. Who knows.

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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #4 on: July 23, 2023, 12:08:35 PM »
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  • So... who's this two and a half hour video for? Those of us who already know it's wrong? I will watch it and it sounds interesting but ood luck trying to get a Novus Ordite to sit through a presentation on Polish history.

    Also, only the last 20 minutes are about the core issues. Sounds like this was a hobby project and not done with the goal of converting people.

    Thank God MHFM already did the hard work of destroying the divine mercy deception in a powerful and concise format:

    1st Portion-The important piece in that part is Polish Messianism.  Given its connections to Polish Romanticism, it clearly had a liberal twist given that it drew most of its influence from the French and its revolutionary doctrines (Miekiewicz being tied to the Occult and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ) There is a well-known quote that JPII uses of Mikiewicz.

    2nd Portion-Is probably the most important part of the video.  If you watch anything at all, I would suggest that, as it shows the movers and shakers behind the devotion.  This as far as I am aware is not well known if at all.

    3rd Portion-Is just rehash of things many doctrinal errors that people are already aware of; so it didn't get into that much depth.  The Dimond Bros did a wonderful job of covering that.


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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #5 on: July 23, 2023, 12:21:31 PM »
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  • 1st Portion-The important piece in that part is Polish Messianism.  Given its connections to Polish Romanticism, it clearly had a liberal twist given that it drew most of its influence from the French and its revolutionary doctrines (Miekiewicz being tied to the Occult and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ) There is a well-known quote that JPII uses of Mikiewicz.

    2nd Portion-Is probably the most important part of the video.  If you watch anything at all, I would suggest that, as it shows the movers and shakers behind the devotion.  This as far as I am aware is not well known if at all.

    3rd Portion-Is just rehash of things many doctrinal errors that people are already aware of; so it didn't get into that much depth.  The Dimond Bros did a wonderful job of covering that.
    I look forward to looking at the history but I'm just wondering why the creators made the video as they did. If Novus Ordites are their target audience it failed miserably. If I am the target audience, great.

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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #6 on: July 23, 2023, 12:48:05 PM »
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  • May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #7 on: July 23, 2023, 12:49:44 PM »
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  • It’s been watered down to for the sake of “his” sorrowful passion….

    Someone posted that second to the Mass is the Stations of the Cross.  

    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #8 on: July 23, 2023, 12:53:54 PM »
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  • Most of the people praying the prayer are huge disappointments. They are for abortion and sodomy.

    Too much false “mercy” for pedophiles. There should be more repentance. 

    Also, Divine Mercy Sunday is taking over   Easter which the main Feast DaY.  
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #9 on: July 23, 2023, 12:59:31 PM »
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  • I look forward to looking at the history but I'm just wondering why the creators made the video as they did. If Novus Ordites are their target audience it failed miserably. If I am the target audience, great.
    Dear Marulus Fidelis, I was one of the people who was involved in the research for this project and can explain.  The presentation was put together for priests in the SSPX as many Novus Ordos are coming into the SSPX and bringing the devotion with them.  The priests have not been sure how to respond to the devotion and have been divided.  So the target audience for this presentation was not the average Novus Ordo.  This is why the focus was on providing context for why the devotion is a problem - the history of Poland and the problems we have found in the standard narrative that is used to promote the devotion.

    MHFM video on the Divine Mercy is excellent.  I wish I was capable of producing such well edited videos.

    I don't believe Novus Ordos will drop the devotion by simply quoting the heresies in the diary.  Because their obsession is with the image and the chaplet.  They will rationalise the claim of heresy to be that you are taking things out of context and the Church approved it so it must be fine.  By showing the lies in the narrative and the bad characters of the promoters, I believe it will open them up to questioning if the diary really came by Godly inspiration. 

    Our research has come much further since that initial presentation, and is really exposing how the apostasy in the Vatican 2 Church came about which had its beginnings with the lies of WW2.

    I plan to put together a revised timeline of the devotion that is more extensive with the updated research, but will break it up into shorter video clips so the average person does not have to sit through one two-hour long video. 

    I hope this clears things up. 

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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2023, 01:26:25 PM »
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  • It’s been watered down to for the sake of “his” sorrowful passion….

    Someone posted that second to the Mass is the Stations of the Cross. 
    It's not just watered down. It changes the meaning.


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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #11 on: July 23, 2023, 01:29:18 PM »
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  • Dear Marulus Fidelis, I was one of the people who was involved in the research for this project and can explain.  The presentation was put together for priests in the SSPX as many Novus Ordos are coming into the SSPX and bringing the devotion with them.  The priests have not been sure how to respond to the devotion and have been divided.  So the target audience for this presentation was not the average Novus Ordo.  This is why the focus was on providing context for why the devotion is a problem - the history of Poland and the problems we have found in the standard narrative that is used to promote the devotion.

    MHFM video on the Divine Mercy is excellent.  I wish I was capable of producing such well edited videos.

    I don't believe Novus Ordos will drop the devotion by simply quoting the heresies in the diary.  Because their obsession is with the image and the chaplet.  They will rationalise the claim of heresy to be that you are taking things out of context and the Church approved it so it must be fine.  By showing the lies in the narrative and the bad characters of the promoters, I believe it will open them up to questioning if the diary really came by Godly inspiration.

    Our research has come much further since that initial presentation, and is really exposing how the apostasy in the Vatican 2 Church came about which had its beginnings with the lies of WW2.

    I plan to put together a revised timeline of the devotion that is more extensive with the updated research, but will break it up into shorter video clips so the average person does not have to sit through one two-hour long video.

    I hope this clears things up.
    Thank you for explaining, now it makes sense!

    I applaud your effort to educate SSPX priests on this dangerous deception.

    I believe the best way to kill the devotion is to expose Faustina, her pride and heresies so I encourage you to recommend them MHFM's video as well.

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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #12 on: July 23, 2023, 01:59:07 PM »
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  • In novus Ordo, it is replacing Easter Sunday. 

    I remember being upset ( before tradition)  saying something to the  priest that it wasn’t right for this feast to take over Easter.  It is being celebrated to wipe out Easter.  Look at the lockdowns.  They prevented Easter which is a high holy day bigger than Christmas.  

    In our area, we have long time traditionalists praying the chapelet along with the luminous mysteries. 

    Communists like to make changes.
    Who was Sister Faustino’s spiritual director? 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #13 on: July 23, 2023, 02:16:09 PM »
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  • Thank you for explaining, now it makes sense!

    I applaud your effort to educate SSPX priests on this dangerous deception.

    I believe the best way to kill the devotion is to expose Faustina, her pride and heresies so I encourage you to recommend them MHFM's video as well.
    I think you should watch the middle part on the timeline of the development of the devotion.

    New Devotions were banned in 1937.  I believe Fr. Sopocko is the originator of the devotion, not Faustina.  He was writing theological papers on the need for a feast of divine mercy, but he kept getting denied by Bishops and even the Vatican. I believe he wrote the Novena and Chaplet (which borrows from a previously condemned Chaplet of Mercy).

    He realized he would need a supernatural revelation to win over the Bishops and Church to approve a Feast of Divine Mercy despite the ban.

    Since this video, with the new research, I am being led to believe no nun named Faustina wrote a complete diary in the 1930s.  I believe it was starting to be cobbled together by the religious order Fr. Sopocko created during WW2.

    Fr. Sopocko was working for the Polish military intelligence service in WW2, his female religious order was as well - part of the polish resistance.  There are so many heresies because it was written by young women with no Catholic religious training (like a 33 year old nun would of had if she had joined a convent in 1924 and died in 1938) or perhaps weren't even catholic, but Mariavites.

    From my experience, Novus Ordos don't really care about heresy, and certainly won't listen to SSPXers or sedevacantists accuse it of heresy because we are "schismatic".  They are emotionally attached to the myth of Faustina, because of all the emotional propaganda that has been used on them by the word "Mercy".  So they feel they are showing mercy to faustina by defending her reputation which the don't even know. Afterall you attacking a poor, barely educated nun who could hardly read and write, its mean, it's bullying and unfair in their mind.  They don't really care what's in the diary, for them its about the chaplet.  

    Go after the chaplet. Go after the people who promoted the devotion to show that they were not inspired by an uneducated nun's visions to promote the devotion, it inspired disobedience to the Church hierarchy.  Expose the lies in the narrative.  The narrative being a lie doesn't have the protection of the the Vatican 2 approval.

    The excessive pride in Faustina's diary is due to Polish messianism and most likely written by someone who was a Mariavite or well acquainted with them. The Mariavites had female priests and gave communion under both species.  When you understand this, then you understand why the diary contains so many references to her holding the host in her hand, standing on the altar dispensing graces, holding sacred vessels and receiving communion under both species.  

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    Re: Investigation of the Divine Mercy Devotion
    « Reply #14 on: July 23, 2023, 02:21:14 PM »
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  • In novus Ordo, it is replacing Easter Sunday. 

    I remember being upset ( before tradition)  saying something to the  priest that it wasn’t right for this feast to take over Easter.  It is being celebrated to wipe out Easter.  Look at the lockdowns.  They prevented Easter which is a high holy day bigger than Christmas. 

    In our area, we have long time traditionalists praying the chapelet along with the luminous mysteries. 

    Communists like to make changes.
    Who was Sister Faustino’s spiritual director?

    According to the Diary, when Sister Faustina allegedly followed "Jesus'" instructions to try to get a Feast of Divine Mercy from the bishop, She was told by the Bishop there already was one - The Feast of the Exaltation of the Cross.

    When you understand Polish messianism, you see they think they know better than the Church.  So they wanted people to forget about the Cross, replace the Holy Holy Rosary, and as you said, even Easter - why? Because Polish Pride, they wanted a feast day they could hang up as the most important day in the Church, and it was Polish.  They will knock everything down in the name of Polish Messianism.