No sede here can prove even ONE heresy contained in the texts of VCII. Not one.

They misinterpret the texts and then declare their own misinterpretation as heresy.

This isn't about just whether or not sedes can prove a heresy contained in the Vatican II docuмents. I'm not a sede yet I have proven a heresy in the docuмents, yet given YOUR misinterpretations of the texts you don't know how to spot the heresies contained in them.

Very well Santo.

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

We must get to know the outlook of our separated brethren. To achieve this purpose, study is of necessity required, and this must be pursued with a sense of realism and good will. Catholics, who already have a proper grounding, need to acquire a more adequate understanding of the respective doctrines of our separated brethren, their history, their spiritual and liturgical life, their religious psychology and general background. Most valuable for this purpose are meetings of the two sides-especially for discussion of theological problems-where each can treat with the other on an equal footing-provided that those who take part in them are truly competent and have the approval of the bishops. From such dialogue will emerge still more clearly what the situation of the Catholic Church really is. In this way too the outlook of our separated brethren will be better understood, and our own belief more aptly explained.

Before the whole world let all Christians confess their faith in the triune God, one and three in the incarnate Son of God, our Redeemer and Lord. United in their efforts, and with mutual respect, let them bear witness to our common hope which does not play us false. In these days when cooperation in social matters is so widespread, all men without exception are called to work together, with much greater reason all those who believe in God, but most of all, all Christians in that they bear the name of Christ. Cooperation among Christians vividly expresses the relationship which in fact already unites them, and it sets in clearer relief the features of Christ the Servant. This cooperation, which has already begun in many countries, should be developed more and more, particularly in regions where a social and technical evolution is taking place be it in a just evaluation of the dignity of the human person, the establishment of the blessings of peace, the application of Gospel principles to social life, the advancement of the arts and sciences in a truly Christian spirit, or also in the use of various remedies to relieve the afflictions of our times such as famine and natural disasters, illiteracy and poverty, housing shortage and the unequal distribution of wealth. All believers in Christ can, through this cooperation, be led to acquire a better knowledge and appreciation of one another, and so pave the way to Christian unity.

All three quotes I posted above contradict the Church's Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

Please, we've already been through the Islam thing. How many Pre-VCII Bishops signed Nostra Aetate? Were they all apostate modernists? Were they all completely ignorant of Church tradition, history, and doctrine? Or maybe, just maybe, do you misunderstand what Nostra Aetate is saying?

All you have done is slap quotes together in a post. You have not even started to attempt to show how there is heresy in that statement.

Please, we've already been through the Islam thing. How many Pre-VCII Bishops signed Nostra Aetate? Were they all apostate modernists? Were they all completely ignorant of Church tradition, history, and doctrine? Or maybe, just maybe, do you misunderstand what Nostra Aetate is saying?

All you have done is slap quotes together in a post. You have not even started to attempt to show how there is heresy in that statement.

Abp. Pintonello Did not. He did not sign a SINGLE docuмent from Vatican II, that's a fact Jack.

Oh, please, Santo... you and the rest of the Conciliar sheep are just eating wherever you can find grass, not noticing that it has been sprayed with poison.

For well-nigh two thousand years now, the Roman Catholic Church has claimed uniqueness in faith, sole possession of the doctrines and graces necessary for salvation and continuity in Her authority. EVERY other 'christian' religion either rejects Her or tries to justify its existence by proving that they somehow possess, in fullness, at least one of Her marks.

The Anglicans still try to lean on the succession of bishops and/or priests; too bad, because their orders and sacraments have been dogmatically defined as invalid.

The Eastern Schismatics still have some valid succession, but Catholics, of course, are not to frequent their services, neither are they to partake of their sacraments except in rare cases of EXTREME peril in which it is otherwise not DIFFICULT or INCONVENIENT, but IMPOSSIBLE to procure a traditional Catholic priest. Those warnings, in this day and age, amount to almost total insignificance of even the presence of the Eastern sects in the world. They are a non-factor.

The average non-liturgical Protestant denomination is made from 'whole cloth', rejects sacramentalism altogether and has NOTHING to do with valid apostolic succession. Their doctrines and practices rest entirely upon private and subjective interpretations of Scripture from 'bibles' that have often been erroneously translated specifically because they wanted the text in English to reflect their theology. The Protestant denominations of the sixteenth century and later at least BEGAN with an idea towards so-called 'reformation'; the Prots today have no such agenda, not even among the Lutherans and Anglicans. Their goal today is self-preservation and the advancement of their theologies and liturgies.

These groups are ALL heretical. They either represent an intentional break from the Papal Authority or they represent a genesis IN anti-Catholic bias and laughably bad theology.

For Wojtyla, Ratzinger and their friends to associate with these people in their roles as religious leaders is bad enough, as if they had something to dialogue about except for the heretics to repudiate their errors against Holy Church and repent.

For these 'popes' to PRAY with heretics, FOR heretics and IN the buildings of heretics, along with their 'bishopesses', queer ministers and all the other errors, IS for these 'popes' to be guilty of heresy themselves.

Stop digging in the dung for nuggets of 'truth'... no one before Vatican II had any interest in promoting this false unity, heretical ecuмenism or illicit recognition of the so-called 'significance' of these Christ-deniers as 'means of salvation'.

St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

There are not two holy places in God's Kingdom, there is only ONE. The old 'holy place' was IN the temple of the Jews. The veil of that temple was ripped in two from top to bottom to show that it was no longer a sacred place to God. The temple itself was leveled in A.D. 70 by Titus and the Roman armies, in fulfillment of Our Lord's prophecy that there would not be 'one stone left upon another that will not be thrown down'.

There are not TWO peoples of God, there is only ONE people of God, namely, the Church. The Jews called God's wrath down upon themselves and all their progeny when they cried for the Blood of Christ to be on their heads and the heads of their children from then on.

The religion of the Jew today is representative of the legalistic Pharisaical religion of the time of Christ, which was already a severe departure from the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Today's Jew is no closer to the Old Covenant Jew than they are to Christ. Their religion is a mish-mash of cultural accretions, superstitions and socio-political maneuvering designed to keep the Jews in the most advantageous positions in politics and finance.

Interestingly, the Jews of Israel are being handled much like the Conciliar church's membership is; they are being led around by the nose by people who don't even PRETEND to be Jews except by ethnicity UNTIL it's time for some holiday or time to raise more money for their Zionist causes. Then, the yarmulkes come out and they start singing the old Hebrew songs.

As I and many others have said already, the Magisterium of the Church has never had a problem with pronouncing the Jєωιѕн religion and its adherents 'perfidious' and 'infidel'.

Just as Jacob robbed his brother of his birthright and his blessing by pretending to be something and someone he was not, so, too, have the Jews played on people's sympathies by still trying to appear to be the 'people of God' when they have clearly rejected Christ, the Messiah of the Jew and Savior of the world.

Ditto for the Conciliar heretics; they are playing church when it behooves them, like when the anti-pope appears in the square for that 'prayer service' before the Assisi debacle. He'll need to pretend to be Catholic then. Once he gets around his Lutheran and Jew infidel friends, he dispenses with the heterodoxy and makes with the ecuмenism. It's sickening, but it is the blueprint that was drawn up by his Christ-denying Jew compatriots a long time ago.

Mary, help of Christians, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

How does anyone explain this quote from the Council of Trent?

 If anyone says that the Mass should be celebrated in the vernacular only, let him be Anathema . “ - Council of Trent (Session XXII, Canon 9)

And Pope Pius VI condemned the notion that the mass should said “in the vernacular” as “rash, offensive to pious ears, insulting to the Church, and favorable to the charges of heretics against it”

So there you have it. Vatican II and the Bogus Ordo: refuted.

Not exactly. I am no defender of the Novus Ordo by any means. I am a sedevacantist. But the Novus Ordo does not require their priests to say mass in only the vernacular. They can say the New Mess in Latin too. It's a real option.

I agree in general with what you're getting at: Bogus Ordo for sure, but your comparison does not exactly match the reality. Just sayin'.

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The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

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We must get to know the outlook of our separated brethren. To achieve this purpose, study is of necessity required, and this must be pursued with a sense of realism and good will. Catholics, who already have a proper grounding, need to acquire a more adequate understanding of the respective doctrines of our separated brethren, their history, their spiritual and liturgical life, their religious psychology and general background. Most valuable for this purpose are meetings of the two sides-especially for discussion of theological problems-where each can treat with the other on an equal footing-provided that those who take part in them are truly competent and have the approval of the bishops. From such dialogue will emerge still more clearly what the situation of the Catholic Church really is. In this way too the outlook of our separated brethren will be better understood, and our own belief more aptly explained.

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Before the whole world let all Christians confess their faith in the triune God, one and three in the incarnate Son of God, our Redeemer and Lord. United in their efforts, and with mutual respect, let them bear witness to our common hope which does not play us false. In these days when cooperation in social matters is so widespread, all men without exception are called to work together, with much greater reason all those who believe in God, but most of all, all Christians in that they bear the name of Christ. Cooperation among Christians vividly expresses the relationship which in fact already unites them, and it sets in clearer relief the features of Christ the Servant. This cooperation, which has already begun in many countries, should be developed more and more, particularly in regions where a social and technical evolution is taking place be it in a just evaluation of the dignity of the human person, the establishment of the blessings of peace, the application of Gospel principles to social life, the advancement of the arts and sciences in a truly Christian spirit, or also in the use of various remedies to relieve the afflictions of our times such as famine and natural disasters, illiteracy and poverty, housing shortage and the unequal distribution of wealth. All believers in Christ can, through this cooperation, be led to acquire a better knowledge and appreciation of one another, and so pave the way to Christian unity.

 I find these statements to be erroneous and harmful to the Faith in Jesus Christ. All of these statements can be found in the New Catechism of the Catholic Church. A Catechism is used to teach new Catholics the Faith. Why on Earth would you put stuff about other religions in a book that is meant to teach new Catholics. It will not only cause confusion, but may cause them to abandon the Catholic Faith altogether to find out why some other religion holds the second person of the Trinity as just a "prophet", but yet the Church esteems them. Our Lord say, "seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and all else will be given unto thee". The fact that everyday people fall away from their V2 Faith is evidence of the corruption in this book, which takes it statements directly from the V2 council. The only thing this book and those statements are good for is to start a fire.

 I would never hold in esteem those who see the second person in God as a meer prophet or deny him altogether, those who murder in the name of their erroneous God, those who show contempt for Family, contempt for the Saints, contempt for the Holy Ghost. No these are not people of God, these are the enemy of God that must be prayed for. Their hearts are so hardened that only a miracle from God can save them. Thank God he performs these miracles everyday, but the sheer amount of contempt for God, make new haters everyday. I suspect if they could the Vatican would try to justify anybody including followers of Satan, Aethiests, and probably even animals. I feel in the future these statements are going to be condemned and most people who were involved in writing them. I do not hope they went to Hell, but God's justice is certainly not in my control.