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Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #60 on: November 11, 2025, 11:10:48 AM »
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  • Look, if you choose to take that risk and partake in a loose association without the safe guards of the Church, then that's your choice. 
    Like the SSPX? No Traditional Catholic has the "safe guards of the Church", that's kind of why this is called a CRISIS

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    But you must admit it is a choice without precedent and it is a choice fraught with immediate danger and an unknown future
    Like resisting an Ecuмenical Council and the teachings and decisions of 5 successive popes over the span of 50+ years?

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    For all its failings, the SSPX provide traditional sacraments, Masses, sermons, schools, community life. 

    Like every other Traditional group? 

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    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #61 on: November 11, 2025, 02:42:11 PM »
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  • Like the SSPX? No Traditional Catholic has the "safe guards of the Church", that's kind of why this is called a CRISIS
    Like resisting an Ecuмenical Council and the teachings and decisions of 5 successive popes over the span of 50+ years?

    Like every other Traditional group?

    :laugh2:
    With a hierarchy there is a means of redress and a means to choose a different Mass center. A loose association has no hierarchy and the pool is incredibly small and fragmented. People, including bishops, are doing what they feel like without accountability. The fake priest Moran is a classic example illustrating this grave danger. Here in Ireland, Bp. Ballini was the only resistance priest here for years. People had no choice but to attend his Masses if they supported the resistance. They felt trapped and controlled. If they dared query something they felt was wrong, they were dressed down like children and told they could leave - knowing they had nowhere to go. I for one do not like that kind of manipulation. I know that not every resistance priest acts like that but that was the reality in Ireland. So to to say that the resistance is the only place you can save your soul is absolute nonsense. The SSPX is by far superior to anything Bp. Ballini has promised and failed to deliver. Just before he parted ways with the SSPX, I asked Fr. Ballini if he was a sedevacantist. I stood there waiting in silence for a few seconds while he thought about what to say. Finally, after a lot of mental wrestling, he let out a slow, drawn out, very guarded, 'nooooo....' which gave every indication of mental reservation. I don't like that. I don't like pretense. I don't like not knowing what I am dealing with. At least the policy of the SSPX is open to all. And my children - now young adults - still all go to Mass and, DON"T view other Catholics - regardless of where they go - as lepers.

    So I repeat - and this is addressed to those who dogmatically believe - like Mr. Gubbins - that you will lose your faith outside the resistance: do you have teenage children?


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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #62 on: November 11, 2025, 02:55:19 PM »
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  • With a hierarchy there is a means of redress and a means to choose a different Mass center. A loose association has no hierarchy and the pool is incredibly small and fragmented. People, including bishops, are doing what they feel like without accountability. The fake priest Moran is a classic example illustrating this grave danger. Here in Ireland, Bp. Ballini was the only resistance priest here for years. People had no choice but to attend his Masses if they supported the resistance. They felt trapped and controlled. If they dared query something they felt was wrong, they were dressed down like children and told they could leave - knowing they had nowhere to go. I for one do not like that kind of manipulation. I know that not every resistance priest acts like that but that was the reality in Ireland. So to to say that the resistance is the only place you can save your soul is absolute nonsense. The SSPX is by far superior to anything Bp. Ballini has promised and failed to deliver. Just before he parted ways with the SSPX, I asked Fr. Ballini if he was a sedevacantist. I stood there waiting in silence for a few seconds while he thought about what to say. Finally, after a lot of mental wrestling, he let out a slow, drawn out, very guarded, 'nooooo....' which gave every indication of mental reservation. I don't like that. I don't like pretense. I don't like not knowing what I am dealing with. At least the policy of the SSPX is open to all. And my children - now young adults - still all go to Mass and, DON"T view other Catholics - regardless of where they go - as lepers.

    So I repeat - and this is addressed to those who dogmatically believe - like Mr. Gubbins - that you will lose your faith outside the resistance: do you have teenage children?
    The sspx does not have a hierarchy, except a legal one.  :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #63 on: November 11, 2025, 02:58:35 PM »
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  • With a hierarchy there is a means of redress and a means to choose a different Mass center. A loose association has no hierarchy and the pool is incredibly small and fragmented. People, including bishops, are doing what they feel like without accountability. The fake priest Moran is a classic example illustrating this grave danger. Here in Ireland, Bp. Ballini was the only resistance priest here for years. People had no choice but to attend his Masses if they supported the resistance. They felt trapped and controlled. If they dared query something they felt was wrong, they were dressed down like children and told they could leave - knowing they had nowhere to go. I for one do not like that kind of manipulation. I know that not every resistance priest acts like that but that was the reality in Ireland. So to to say that the resistance is the only place you can save your soul is absolute nonsense. The SSPX is by far superior to anything Bp. Ballini has promised and failed to deliver. Just before he parted ways with the SSPX, I asked Fr. Ballini if he was a sedevacantist. I stood there waiting in silence for a few seconds while he thought about what to say. Finally, after a lot of mental wrestling, he let out a slow, drawn out, very guarded, 'nooooo....' which gave every indication of mental reservation. I don't like that. I don't like pretense. I don't like not knowing what I am dealing with. At least the policy of the SSPX is open to all. And my children - now young adults - still all go to Mass and, DON"T view other Catholics - regardless of where they go - as lepers.

    So I repeat - and this is addressed to those who dogmatically believe - like Mr. Gubbins - that you will lose your faith outside the resistance: do you have teenage children?
    The children follow the parents.  If the parents are strong in the Faith and the wife does not overstep the husband's authority those children most likely will keep the Faith.  My children have experienced R&R, Total Sede, and Sedeprivationism, through the years all in  one chapel, but this hasn't caused them to lose the Faith. 
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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #64 on: November 11, 2025, 03:39:32 PM »
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  • With a hierarchy there is a means of redress and a means to choose a different Mass center. A loose association has no hierarchy and the pool is incredibly small and fragmented. People, including bishops, are doing what they feel like without accountability. The fake priest Moran is a classic example illustrating this grave danger. Here in Ireland, Bp. Ballini was the only resistance priest here for years. People had no choice but to attend his Masses if they supported the resistance. They felt trapped and controlled. If they dared query something they felt was wrong, they were dressed down like children and told they could leave - knowing they had nowhere to go. I for one do not like that kind of manipulation. I know that not every resistance priest acts like that but that was the reality in Ireland. So to to say that the resistance is the only place you can save your soul is absolute nonsense. The SSPX is by far superior to anything Bp. Ballini has promised and failed to deliver. Just before he parted ways with the SSPX, I asked Fr. Ballini if he was a sedevacantist. I stood there waiting in silence for a few seconds while he thought about what to say. Finally, after a lot of mental wrestling, he let out a slow, drawn out, very guarded, 'nooooo....' which gave every indication of mental reservation. I don't like that. I don't like pretense. I don't like not knowing what I am dealing with. At least the policy of the SSPX is open to all. And my children - now young adults - still all go to Mass and, DON"T view other Catholics - regardless of where they go - as lepers.

    So I repeat - and this is addressed to those who dogmatically believe - like Mr. Gubbins - that you will lose your faith outside the resistance: do you have teenage children?
    No SSPX priest or bishop has any authority over the faithful who attend their masses. No Traditional priest or bishop of any group has authority over the Traditional Catholics attending their masses. That's a part of the nature of the "Crisis"

    I wouldn't give too much time to Tom's "remnant" ramblings. If his "remnant" is anything like him, I'd be afraid you'd lose the faith inside of it.

    He is not a representation of the Resistance in general, as he is probably a part of Fr. Hewko's group or Fr. (Bishop?) Pfeiffer's. Anyone calling themselves "the remnant" or the "true Resistance" or whatever generally falls under one of those two groups
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #65 on: November 11, 2025, 04:40:56 PM »
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  • No not hewko nor pfeiffer.

    Many of our priests are clear on the true position.


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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #66 on: November 11, 2025, 04:47:05 PM »
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  •  I wouldn't give too much time to Tom's "remnant" ramblings. If his "remnant" is anything like him, I'd be afraid you'd lose the faith inside of it. 
    I wouldn't be surprised if Tom was really William Norris or Richard Ibranyi from "Mary's Little Remnant" out in T or C, New Mexico. They're the ultimate definition of a "False Catholic Remnant."

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #67 on: November 11, 2025, 05:04:02 PM »
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  • No not hewko nor pfeiffer.

    Many of our priests are clear on the true position.


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    Just a guess, doesn't matter much either way

    Whoever "your" priests are, I'd hope they would disavow you if they knew what you have been getting up to. Bad fruit and all..
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
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  • I think the diocesan traditional Latin Masses are generally welcoming as are the SSPX larger city based chapels though I can only speak for the UK and Ireland. I haven’t attended a trad Mass anywhere else.
    I am glad your experiences have been better than mine.

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #69 on: Today at 09:00:13 AM »
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  • No one who actually knew him well ever even heard him say that or thought that of him.


    He remained razor sharp right to the end.
    Well, I knew him fairly well, I think.  He must have thought so, too, for him to admit such to me.

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #70 on: Today at 09:12:13 AM »
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  • The sspx does not have a hierarchy, except a legal one.  :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

    I wouldn't even call it that.  At best, perhaps a "moral" hierarchy, where priests will make these private vows of obedience.

    What's most disturbing about SSPX is that despite decades of trumpeting "faith is greater than obedience", saying it's OK to disobey the pope when your consciences says you should ... they will gaslight priests who disobey their SSPX superiors for ... disobedience.  So, let me get this straight.  It's perfectly OK for you to disobey the man you hold to be the Vicar of Christ, but if some priest in the US disobeys Father Fullerton because of HIS conscience, that's horrible, eeeevil, wicked, proud ...

    Given that obedience was the tactic used originally by the infiltrators, and the absurd logical contradiction here ... this strongly suggests deep infiltration of SSPX by the same bad actors.


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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
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  • Here in Ireland, Bp. Ballini was the only resistance priest here for years. People had no choice but to attend his Masses if they supported the resistance. They felt trapped and controlled. If they dared query something they felt was wrong, they were dressed down like children and told they could leave - knowing they had nowhere to go.

    So, the more I keep hearing about +Ballini, the more underwhelmed I am ... and this general attitude among Trad clergy is noxious, and it's what turns Trad enclaves into little cults ... so say nothing of the fact that it's a usurpation of authority that they do not have.

    Trad clergy need to get this straight:  YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY.  None, zilch, nada.  You CANNOT BIND CONSCIENCES.  Your only role is an emergency dispenser of Sacraments to the faithful who request it, as per Canon Law, which permits irregular clergy to provide the Sacraments to the faithful who have a right to receive them, and in fact mandates it.  When you get up there at the pulpit, you are merely OPINING, just as if any one of us would get up there, and your 6-year seminary "degree" does not make you an expert in anything, much less a theologian.  You have "authority" only to the extent that you speak the truth which the Church has already taught.  You have absolutely no right to use the Sacraments as weapons, withholding them if someone does not conform to your "position" (which position means absolutely nothing ... outside of those principles already taught by the Church).  Nor do your "arguments" where you claim your position is the only one consistent with Catholic teaching mean anything, since ... your arguments can be wrong, and the dogmatists on both sides are wrong, and their blunders are obvious.  Unfortunately, not a few young men enter the seminary because it makes them feel important, where they enjoy the laity bowing their heads in deference and call them Father, when a great percentage of them would struggle to make shift manager at McDonald's after having worked there for 10 years.

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
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  • So, the more I keep hearing about +Ballini, the more underwhelmed I am ... and this general attitude among Trad clergy is noxious, and it's what turns Trad enclaves into little cults ... so say nothing of the fact that it's a usurpation of authority that they do not have.

    Trad clergy need to get this straight:  YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY.  None, zilch, nada.  You CANNOT BIND CONSCIENCES.  Your only role is an emergency dispenser of Sacraments to the faithful who request it, as per Canon Law, which permits irregular clergy to provide the Sacraments to the faithful who have a right to receive them, and in fact mandates it.  When you get up there at the pulpit, you are merely OPINING, just as if any one of us would get up there, and your 6-year seminary "degree" does not make you an expert in anything, much less a theologian.  You have "authority" only to the extent that you speak the truth which the Church has already taught.  You have absolutely no right to use the Sacraments as weapons, withholding them if someone does not conform to your "position" (which position means absolutely nothing ... outside of those principles already taught by the Church).  Nor do your "arguments" where you claim your position is the only one consistent with Catholic teaching mean anything, since ... your arguments can be wrong, and the dogmatists on both sides are wrong, and their blunders are obvious.  Unfortunately, not a few young men enter the seminary because it makes them feel important, where they enjoy the laity bowing their heads in deference and call them Father, when a great percentage of them would struggle to make shift manager at McDonald's after having worked there for 10 years.
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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
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  • I wouldn't even call it that.  At best, perhaps a "moral" hierarchy, where priests will make these private vows of obedience.

    What's most disturbing about SSPX is that despite decades of trumpeting "faith is greater than obedience", saying it's OK to disobey the pope when your consciences says you should ... they will gaslight priests who disobey their SSPX superiors for ... disobedience.  So, let me get this straight.  It's perfectly OK for you to disobey the man you hold to be the Vicar of Christ, but if some priest in the US disobeys Father Fullerton because of HIS conscience, that's horrible, eeeevil, wicked, proud ...

    Given that obedience was the tactic used originally by the infiltrators, and the absurd logical contradiction here ... this strongly suggests deep infiltration of SSPX by the same bad actors.
    What would you have them do? How should they respond? What's the point of authority if it is disregarded? The one giving the orders will naturally think they ought to be obeyed, and won't realize they are in the wrong if they are.
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