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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 01:27:03 PM »
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  • Mr. Gubbins, as a convert, I found the SSPX when I was twenty six. I am still attending a SSPX chapel thirty years later. All of my grown children are still attending a SSPX chapel and those that are married, married SSPX spouses and all intend to home educate rather then send their children to a local school. So far so good. But I can tell you, knowing my children as I do, I would not be relating the same story if we had of followed Bp. Ballini into what I can only describe as a toxic wasteland. And when I use the adjective 'toxic' I am referring to the same 'sede' mentality that you ooze here: 'unless you believe as I believe, you are not a 'real' Catholic and therefore not welcome'. Well, Mr. Gubbins, that is not Catholic. That is cult mentality. And I shudder to think of my children ever perceiving themselves superior Catholics to their SSPX/Resistance friends or mainstream cousins. Humility is the cornerstone to salvation, not Bp. Ballini's Masses.



    These are the exact same invectives that Anglicans used to hurl at Catholics in the old days.

    You're not interested in discussing to arrive at a deeper understanding of the Truth. 

    Just simply attaching labels to those who are courageous enough to stand by it.

    Offline SimonJude

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #31 on: Today at 01:12:20 AM »
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  • No one who actually knew him well ever even heard him say that or thought that of him.

    He remained razor sharp right to the end.
    Doesn't matter.  He said it to me....
    It amazes me that you try so hard to prove +thuc was not mentally stable but fail to accept when another bishop confesses it.  The arrogance in some trads is off the charts.


    Offline SimonJude

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #32 on: Today at 01:24:20 AM »
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  • No. That's called common sense. Frankly, I do not see much difference between you and dogmatic Sedes. You both dictate what a Catholic should do as if you were the Church itself. A Catholic - especially if you have children - especially if you have teenage children - would be advised to attend a traditional parish which offers not only the traditional Mass and the traditional sacraments, but stability and a joyful community life. I can only speak for the situation in Ireland, but the Resistance under Bp. Ballini has left a wake of traumatized faithful. Slowly they are beginning to open up and we are told that the atmosphere at their former Mass centres was incredibly toxic and controlling. Everyone was judging each other as to whether they measured up as 'real' Catholics. I stress again, I am not attacking the Resistance wholesale - I understand why many have chosen this route and I am no fan of Bishop Fellay myself. However, stepping out of the frying pan into the fire comes to mind when you objectively compare the situation one left, to the situation offered by Bp. Ballini. Moreover, when you add the fact that an ex-cleric - laicised for child abuse - was secretly introduced to the resistance faithful also, it is clear that each Catholic must weigh up the right decision for themselves in these troubled times. There is NO absolute safe place. Each priest must be judged by their own merits - which must include their spiritual attachment to the Papacy. However, if you chose the stay at home route - that nowhere is good enough - I can assure you that your teenages will lose the faith quicker than a snow flake melts in the Sahara at noon.  This is possibly what His Lordship Bishop Williamson had in mind when he conceded that someone could still save their soul attending the New Mass. Sometimes this is better than not going to Mass at all. It takes an incredibly disciplined person to self-govern their own Sundays and keep it going week after week.
    I have not once, ever attended a traditional chapel that had a "stable and joyful community life".  They're a bunch of finger pointing, holier-than-thou, arrogant, misogynistic, condescending, racist, bonnet people.  I have learned to go get the sacraments and leave.

    Offline Everlast22

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #33 on: Today at 08:40:40 AM »
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  • I have not once, ever attended a traditional chapel that had a "stable and joyful community life".  They're a bunch of finger pointing, holier-than-thou, arrogant, misogynistic, condescending, racist, bonnet people.  I have learned to go get the sacraments and leave.
    Holier-than-thou? sure. I'll give you that. Every Church has a few people that you wouldn't really like to hang out with.

    This isn't the forum to be bringing up eye-rolling, communist, anti-European, very modernist trope words like "misogynistic" and "racist". 

    Get out of here with that. And coming from a guy, too.:facepalm: (supposedly)


    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #34 on: Today at 01:30:49 PM »
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  •  We have ALWAYS tolerated those.
    Who is we? Who are you to speak for all of the "resistance?" 

    And the tone you use for "tolerating" Father Ringrose is completely disrespectful.

    The point is people change how they view the Crisis as the years go by.  Nobody is exactly the same as they were 30 years ago.  

    Without papal authority, we are not going to have answers.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine