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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2021, 08:31:52 AM »
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  • Have a good evening (or day as the case may be), Apollo.

    Apollo,

    Please report to Fr. Paul Robinson that Incredulous’s Cathinfo farewell to you was:

    “Good riddance you millennial trash”
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #31 on: April 26, 2021, 08:38:31 AM »
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  • This is a rebuttal video to "testing geocentrism"

    Written rebuttal linked in video description on youtube and also attached  as pdf. It deals with the points raised in a relatively succinct manner.

    Do you think the Sungenis video accurately represents and fairly rebuts points in the CHL video?


    Offline Emile

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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #32 on: April 26, 2021, 05:48:41 PM »
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  • Do you think the Sungenis video accurately represents and fairly rebuts points in the CHL video?

    The rebuttal video is someone reading the first part of Dr. Sungenis' paper which is attached to my previous posts (replies 25 & 26).

    To be sure that we are talking about the same thing, here is the first video of CHL.  Although, if you watch it, I recommend doing so out of earshot of young children (not joking).



    I have watched the first CHL video twice and I do think Sungenis makes a fair, although brief, rebuttal. It would take volumes to address all the claims that CHL makes.

    Your quote missed including my last sentence; I duplicate and reaffirm it here:

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    If you know of any decent direct rebuttals to geocentrism, by someone who can behave in a becoming manner, I would be interested in viewing or reading it.

    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #33 on: April 26, 2021, 06:41:53 PM »
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  • E rev around S :popcorn:

    Come on, now.  Even with Newtonian physics both the earth and the sun revolve around the barycenter of the solar system, which often isn’t anywhere inside the sun.

    Yet the entire solar system allegedly moves.  So the entire universe revolves around the barycenter of the universe.  Please prove that the earth is NOT at the barycenter of the universe.

    In the highly suspect Newtonian model, the only “unmoving” object in the universe would be located at the barycenter of the universe, which has not been located.

    All motion is relative and based on perspective.  So the scientists claim that the entire solar system is flying through space at breakneck speeds so that the motion model looks more like a vortex.

    Ah, but there’s more.  Allegedly the entire galaxy is in motion.  So the “absolute” movement model is mind-bogglingly complex.

    So what is the absolute frame of reference for the entire created universe?

    Then factor in the that notion gravity is pure bunk, with some other unexplained forces actually behind these movements, your E revolves around S is childish grade school nonsense.

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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #34 on: April 26, 2021, 06:44:46 PM »
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  • A+ for you.

    By agreeing with this you show yourself an idiot also ... as per my previous post.

    And this is from a guy who believes the fairy tale of the moon landings.   :laugh1:


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #35 on: April 26, 2021, 07:56:18 PM »
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  • I imagine that apollo would find the whole "Axis of Evil" phenomenon to be quite disturbing.

    Even the Jew Lawrence Krauss, who taught at Yale (among other places), remarked about it:
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    But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun – the plane of the earth around the sun – the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe.

    This was dubbed "Axis of Evil" by the largely-atheistic scientists because of its implications (here's another Jew):
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    Data from the Planck Telescope published in 2013 has since found stronger evidence for the anisotropy. "For a long time, part of the community was hoping that this would go away, but it hasn’t," says Dominik Schwarz of the University of Bielefeld in Germany.

    So the scientists tried to explain away the original data, but then (yet another Jew):
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    In June, 2020, the 'axis of evil' observation was confirmed by a study conducted by Lior Shamir, which verified the same result via a different measurement.  Shamir commented: "We have two different sky surveys showing the exact same patterns, even when the galaxies are completely different. There is no error that can lead to that. This is the universe that we live in. This is our home."


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #36 on: April 26, 2021, 08:19:22 PM »
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  • This guy is not only a blasphemous pig, mocking the Sacred Scriptures (thus revealing his true agenda ... perhaps he's a practicing sơdơmite?) but he's an imbecile.  He's showing mathematical angles between earth and the sun.  Is this moron not aware that all position and "maths" (that he keeps touting) is relative between the two objects.  Planetarium software is known to use geocentric math ... because in a lot of ways it's much simpler.  Their only argument from "maths" is the assertion that it looks simpler or more elegant.  But the whole notion that the earth is simply rotating in a nice elliptical pattern around a stationary sun is utter "Bollocks" ... to use this moron's favorite term.

    So this low-grade moron distorts the geocentric movement by speeding up the rotation of the universe around the earth to a ridiculous speed (as opposed to taking place in 24 hours) to make it look stupid (each cycle that he makes whip around the earth 5 times per second actually takes 24 hours).  Then he contrasts that with the "simple elegance" of the elliptical motions.  But that shows him to be a moron, for that simple motion is absolute BOLLOCKS.



    Quoting from this video:  "The old heliocentric model of our solar system ... planets rotating around the sun ... is not only boring, but also incorrect."

    Let him take out his protractor and measure that one.  And then I saw an article from NASA saying that, given the movement of the solar system within the galaxy, and then the galaxy through the universe, it's even much more complicated than that.  But given all the mass in the universe, it's absolutely unclear which forces are acting on what other forces, and which are the stronger ones.

    So much for the "simplicity" of the elliptical pattern so that students can be brainwashed into making models of the solar system with styrofoam balls attached to a bigger ball with sticks.  That is the level of this moron's thinking, and his hatred for Sacred Scripture are what turn him into a moron.

    So this great genius starts with a strawman by picking on some poor guy making a youtube video ... taking on the "heavy hitters" as it were.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #37 on: April 26, 2021, 08:42:19 PM »
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  • Here's Tycho Brahe's model.  It's also quite elegant and beautiful.  It works similar to those old spirograph toys.  It all depends on what is anchoring what and how.  Recall that gravity has never been proven.



    Here's a scientific paper entitled:  Gravity is a Myth
    https://www.scitechnol.com/peer-review/gravity-is-a-myth-CHpy.php?article_id=8027#:~:text=GRAVITY%20DOES%20NOT%20EXIST%E2%80%A6.,Universe%20on%20a%20galactic%20scale.&text=This%20force%20is%20pushing%20us,walk%20on%20the%20Earth%20freely.

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    The theory of gravity has been around for over three hundred years. From Newton to Einstein we have believed this theory that gravity is an internal force of mass, i.e., Mass creates Gravity. However, no one has ever truly understood this force, nor have they proven its existence. I am presenting a new theory about Gravity from a quantum mechanics (QM) point of view in which Gravity is not an unknown force coming from a mass; but is, however, an internal force in the atom. When we look at anything surrounding us, it is made from atoms and the building blocks of all atoms are made of Quantum Elementary Particles (QEP). Therefore, to say a mechanical movement creates quantum structure is not accurate. It should be the reverse; the accretion of QM structure is creating mechanical energy. A solid rested mass does not generate any force. Furthermore, a mass in space is weightless as we have experienced for decades by sending astronauts into space. Therefore, the theory of gravity also does not work with classical physics (CP) in space. We have never observed any indication of gravity in the weightless planets in space. My observation of the two theories of gravity, on Earth and in Space, is that they are based on a faulty foundation and neither of them is following the laws of CP nor QM physics.


    Here's another professor who asserts that gravity does not exist, but he has a different theory about what causes some of the phenomena heretofore ascribed to "gravity".
    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13gravity.html

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    So says Erik Verlinde, 48, a respected string theorist and professor of physics at the University of Amsterdam, whose contention that gravity is indeed an illusion has caused a continuing ruckus among physicists, or at least among those who profess to understand it.
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    “For me gravity doesn’t exist,” said Dr. Verlinde, who was recently in the United States to explain himself. Not that he can’t fall down, but Dr. Verlinde is among a number of physicists who say that science has been looking at gravity the wrong way and that there is something more basic, from which gravity “emerges,” the way stock markets emerge from the collective behavior of individual investors or that elasticity emerges from the mechanics of atoms.

    Heliocentrism depends entirely on the notion of "gravity" which has indeed never been understood or proven to exist.  So heliocentism is nothing more than a theory.


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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #38 on: April 26, 2021, 08:44:35 PM »
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  • This guy is not only a blasphemous pig, mocking the Sacred Scriptures (thus revealing his true agenda ... perhaps he's a practicing sơdơmite?) but he's an imbecile.  He's showing mathematical angles between earth and the sun.  Is this moron not aware that all position and "maths" (that he keeps touting) is relative between the two objects.  Planetarium software is known to use geocentric math ... because in a lot of ways it's much simpler.  Their only argument from "maths" is the assertion that it looks simpler or more elegant.  But the whole notion that the earth is simply rotating in a nice elliptical pattern around a stationary sun is utter "Bollocks" ... to use this moron's favorite term.

    So this low-grade moron distorts the geocentric movement by speeding up the rotation of the universe around the earth to a ridiculous speed (as opposed to taking place in 24 hours) to make it look stupid (each cycle that he makes whip around the earth 5 times per second actually takes 24 hours).  Then he contrasts that with the "simple elegance" of the elliptical motions.  But that shows him to be a moron, for that simple motion is absolute BOLLOCKS.


    Quoting from this video:  "The old heliocentric model of our solar system ... planets rotating around the sun ... is not only boring, but also incorrect."

    Let him take out his protractor and measure that one.  And then I saw an article from NASA saying that, given the movement of the solar system within the galaxy, and then the galaxy through the universe, it's even much more complicated than that.  But given all the mass in the universe, it's absolutely unclear which forces are acting on what other forces, and which are the stronger ones.

    So much for the "simplicity" of the elliptical pattern so that students can be brainwashed into making models of the solar system with styrofoam balls attached to a bigger ball with sticks.  That is the level of this moron's thinking, and his hatred for Sacred Scripture are what turn him into a moron.

    So this great genius starts with a strawman by picking on some poor guy making a youtube video ... taking on the "heavy hitters" as it were.

    You seem somewhat less than impressed by CHL. :laugh1:
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #39 on: April 26, 2021, 09:03:49 PM »
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  • You seem somewhat less than impressed by CHL. :laugh1:

    I'm not the least bit impressed.  So far he "proved" heliocentrism by

    1) doing some math that seemed more elegant (and then distorting the speed of the universe's rotation around the earth) ... but the simple movement of rotation around the sun is actually ... incorrect

    2) assuming the existence of gravity, which not only has never been proven, but in fact has been disproven in many ways; gravity is a theory and assumption

    3) attacking some random individual's youtube video as somehow representative of the geocentrism argument (creating a straw man)

    You take away his perception of simplicity and elegance (which are incorrect even by modern standards, since the movement is incredibly more complex) and you take away the theory of gravity (which is increasingly falling out of favor even among high-level scientists in favor of some atomic force) ... and his entire house of cards "proving" geocentrism collapses in on itself.

    He's pure BOLLOCKS.

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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #40 on: April 26, 2021, 10:13:22 PM »
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  • Great contributions to the thread, Ladislaus. Spot-on.
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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #41 on: April 26, 2021, 10:15:35 PM »
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  • Recall that gravity has never been proven...

    Heliocentrism depends entirely on the notion of "gravity" which has indeed never been understood or proven to exist.  So heliocentism is nothing more than a theory.

    Excellent and solid point.   Newtonian physics is also now apparently racist, as are math and science as a whole, SATs, etc.
    https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/07/14/time-to-cancel-isaac-newton-and-decolonize-physics/
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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #42 on: April 26, 2021, 10:19:29 PM »
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  • I have met the user "apollo" IRL.  He is definitely high-IQ, and he's a highly specialized software engineer. He wrote the software and runs the site "DRBO.ORG". He is the type to create a website by hand, to maximize performance and reliability. He's the old-school type of developer who is inclined to optimize code to squeeze out every clock cycle.

    Note his very screen name, or the way he chose to best distinguish himself from every other Catholic on here. In other words, his favorite identity and way to distinguish himself is a pagan god, also the namesake of the "moon missions" purported to have taken place during the early 1970's.

    This man believes in both the moon landings AND heliocentrism. Why am I not surprised?

    But on the other hand, he supports the Resistance and seems to be completely on-target when it comes to the Crisis in the Church.

    So I can only conclude that he seems to have a serious blindspot in his brain, wisdom, etc. when it comes to science. I wish I understood why, but unfortunately I don't know Mr. P. M. well enough to know the backstory on this.
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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #43 on: April 26, 2021, 11:03:33 PM »
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  • So I can only conclude that he seems to have a serious blindspot in his brain, wisdom, etc. when it comes to science. I wish I understood why, but unfortunately I don't know Mr. P. M. well enough to know the backstory on this.

    No need to pretend you don't know the cause, as such blind-spots are always due to pride.  There may be mitigating circuмstances, something known to God and none of our business, but that changes nothing with respect to the clear, obvious, time-tested principles of the spiritual life.

    Pray for him.  God help us all.
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    Re: Geo-Centrism Conference
    « Reply #44 on: April 27, 2021, 06:54:00 AM »
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  • I didn't engage with him more fully earlier because I was on my phone and it was late in the evening for me, but yes everything Ladislaus said was on the money. Apollo conveniently ignored my Michelson-morely reference.